Standard League is the best league.

I play in all 4 leagues. WHAT NOW?

I really liked that lvl 86 Scion that died in nemesis. I dont care what league I'm in really, I play self found and solo so who gives a shit. As long as I'm enjoying myself, thats all I care about.

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CliveHowlitzer escribió:

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TGeorge escribió:

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Fluffy_Puppies escribió:

Okay. But do you dispute that the majority of new players ended up on Dom and do you believe that the vast majority of them will reroll at the end of the league or continue on in standard?

It is definitely possible that a majority of the new people started on Domination just because it's the default one when you create a new character. But as I already said I believe temporary leagues will continue to be the most populated due to new content and the way economy works in standard. Because who likes finding only items that are, like you said, vendor trash?

But who knows maybe I'm wrong. We won't really know until the current temporary leagues finish and the new ones come. And we will only know if GGG decides to give us the numbers again.

That is another good point. People love finding items that aren't 'vendor trash' as you put it. The amount of items considered 'vendor trash' is only going to increase on Standard to the point that 99.9% of the items are worthless.
On a new league, you can find all kinds of things that people will clamor over, especially early in the league. People love that, it makes their play time feel more valuable.

Well said, this is a huge benefit to playing in a fresh economy.

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Fluffy_Puppies escribió:

There is a lot f hate and disdain for standard league so I've decided voice my support for it.

I play on all leagues.

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Fluffy_Puppies escribió:

First a point against hardcore league. Desync is a very real thing. I play in Singapore in an old condo, an old condo that does not have fiber optics set up. It doesn't matter that I have an alienware laptop, when the max internet speed is 15mbps down and 1mbps up and I am playing from the shitty hidden Singapore gateway eventually I will desync and I will probably die.

should I reroll every time that happens? Ridiculous.

I switch between Singapore and Aus to avoid peak. Desync is real, but an experienced player knows how to avoid the bad ones (e.g. shift attack instead of chasing; choose movement skills carefully; ...), and is able to sense it immediately. This might be harsh, but if one dies desynced, it is most likely his own problem, because facetanking all troubles is the spirit of hardcore.

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Fluffy_Puppies escribió:

Another point against hardcore, in an mmo when you are facing against a new boss in a raid you will die while first learning the fight. You don't throw in the towel at your first death. That is not "learning from your mistakes" that is giving up at the first sign of trouble. It is the same in PoE. People who play hardcore are people who give up. If their character fails to cope with something new the first time they just abandon that character as a failure. They don't try to adjust their passive tree or change their play style. Nope, 1 death and done.

We do adjust our passive tree and change our play style. While you measure with deaths, we measure with efficiency and how hard monsters hit. For example, my Nemesis Scion was at first an Elemental Cleaver, until I hit the DPS wall in Merc A2, then I used Reave and shield instead, and Viper Strike to handle certain monsters. In the end, it uses ST, Wrath, Anger, AA, EB, and things that I never had planed in the first place, and they did solved my problems.

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Fluffy_Puppies escribió:

On to temporary leagues. They are awful and only people who don't care about their time play them. I don't plan on playing for only 4 months so playing on a temporary league means losing all my progress every 4 months. My character, my gear, my sweet sweet currency, my map pool, MY TIME.

Makes sense, but if you want to know why I played on Nemesis, it is because I wanted a different kind of fun. Things like crafting endgame characters and wealth accumulation, are already done in legacy leagues, so I solo self-found in Nemesis with minimal grind, made use of whatever garbage I've found, to experience the new contents. I also achieved my goal of touching all shrines on Domination league just an hour ago. Do these make sense to you too?

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Fluffy_Puppies escribió:

Supporters of temporary leagues will claim they like the fresh economy. The problem is fresh economy's are shit. Items that would be considered vendor trash on standard sell for multiple chaos. Sure godly gear in standard costs an upgodly amount of currency but when it comes to decent gear to good gear there is no place to get it cheaper.

This I totally agree, f**k economy, I don't care for it. I'm not playing some tychoon game.

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Fluffy_Puppies escribió:

finally there are legacy items. Not just uniques but also craftables like +20 onyx amulets and 12% prismatic rings. Unless you are playing in temporary leagues just to avoid the jealousy of competing with people with more wealth than you decked out in legacy items than why play on a temp league?

Guessing what others have in mind while playing a game is irrelevant to having fun.

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Fluffy_Puppies escribió:

So you may call Standard League names like trash league, fart league, scrubcore, etc. But I know Standard League's real name. Best League.

People love to joke around. But when someone means it, you know he himself is already a fail, nothing needs to be worried about.

Almost everything in standard is worth nothing. Standard is full of bots and gold farmers - GGG made it so it would be even easier for them to bot - portal + cast on death gem... In hc bots simply don't reach merciless so they can only farm orbs. I could say it's a bit better.

The temporary leagues add cool gameplay elements that I hope get put into standard. The Nemesis mods can really change how you approach an enemy, and the shrines are a really fun risk/reward gimmick.

I prefer to play the temporary leagues. I like the idea of amassing my wealth in standard and hardcore, but I like to earn it in the temp leagues.

I'm in the UK with 0.5 up because of corporate greed and shit outdated infrastructure.

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DaveSW escribió:

The temporary leagues add cool gameplay elements that I hope get put into standard. The Nemesis mods can really change how you approach an enemy, and the shrines are a really fun risk/reward gimmick.

I prefer to play the temporary leagues. I like the idea of amassing my wealth in standard and hardcore, but I like to earn it in the temp leagues.

They are there to test out new features. I think rogue exiles being added to the main game was a great addition and I think nemesis rare mods will be interesting as well. I don't like the shrines and I really hope they stay the hell out of standard.

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Fluffy_Puppies escribió:

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DaveSW escribió:

The temporary leagues add cool gameplay elements that I hope get put into standard. The Nemesis mods can really change how you approach an enemy, and the shrines are a really fun risk/reward gimmick.

I prefer to play the temporary leagues. I like the idea of amassing my wealth in standard and hardcore, but I like to earn it in the temp leagues.

They are there to test out new features. I think rogue exiles being added to the main game was a great addition and I think nemesis rare mods will be interesting as well. I don't like the shrines and I really hope they stay the hell out of standard.

I'd like shrines a lot more if they were uber enemies with crazy auras instead and the players couldn't gain the powers at all.

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muxenle escribió:

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Fluffy_Puppies escribió:

On to temporary leagues. They are awful and only people who don't care about their time play them. I don't plan on playing for only 4 months so playing on a temporary league means losing all my progress every 4 months. My character, my gear, my sweet sweet currency, my map pool, MY TIME.

ignoring everything else, this is wrong.

at the end of the domination and nemesis, all the chars. and stash on those leagues will get moved to their parent league, standard for domination and hardcore for nemesis. Stash tabs get added on as extra temporary remove only tabs, that vanish when the last item is removed.

you loose nothing at the end of 4 months if you played on one of those leagues.

If you lose nothing then why the hell would you waste your time starting from scratch in a new league when you can just continue your progress on standard?

If you had fun for 4 months you don't lose anything other than virtual currency and shit. Worthless.