@GGG: Enough of this about dual wielding and reave

GGG is the king of making up bullshit...

You're just noticing this now?

Remember when they said "Cyclone won't desync because it ignores collision"...

Honestly the people who run this game don't have a clue what they're doing anymore.

It's all about milking micros...

Hell they take Aprils Fools and use it to milk more micros...

And you know where that money is going... More micros.

Not fixing their fundamentally broken game...
I had the same reaction when I read that statement.
I'm glad people are being vocal about the issue here, we might actually get something done.
#bringbackcleave
"rares will always be BiS"

"maps are supposed to be about item drops and not xp"

"razer footprints will only be temporary"

"we care about build diversity"

"we want to avoid power creep"

etc

there's dozens more, but going back on what they say is not new for them
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Veruski escribió:
"rares will always be BiS"

"maps are supposed to be about item drops and not xp"

"razer footprints will only be temporary"

"we care about build diversity"

"we want to avoid power creep"

etc

there's dozens more, but going back on what they say is not new for them

It's not that they go back on what they say. It's that what they say makes no sense to begin with.

How can Reave be about dual wielding if you alternate weapons? How can maps be about item drops and not XP if they're the only way for a high level character to get any XP? None of those sentiments make any sense even from the start.
It's not even just the shield.

Unless your two weapons are within 10% attack speed of each other you'll just be attacking slower anyway even while dual wielding.

If you ever come across a high speed base with a good attack speed mod then you're better off with a shield because chances are your off-hand is going to decrease your total attack-speed since for every single main-hand hit you're going to have to wait for that slow off-hand to swing again.
My vision for a better PoE: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/863780
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pneuma escribió:
This does not need to be its own thread.
Since this is just a restatement of the dual-wield thread, here's my repost (bolded the important part):
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pneuma escribió:
As an example, take two people using Reave:
- "Slow": 1 attack per second, 10 physical damage each hit.
- "Fast": 2 attacks per second, 5 physical damage each hit.

In pure dps terms, the two are equivalent.
"Slow" does better against armor, since armor guards less of his bigger hit.
"Fast" gets the benefit of being able to move in between the swings, to be able to get in and out of combat more easily.
With Reave, "Fast" gets a secondary benefit -- he gets an AoE buff.

In this way, Reave is attack-speed aligned. Since dual-wielding grants an attack-speed multiplier, Reave should be dual-wielding aligned.

There is definitely a problem [with dual-wielding] if a skill that specifically has strong synergy with attack-speed is still not used with mechanics that maximize attack-speed.


In some ways maybe you're right, but really it's a focus on GGG's hilarious stance on the issue more than anything. I fully agree with your assessment on reave obviously.
my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes
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Bug Fixes:
People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it.
Editado por útlima vez por Legatus1982#1658 en 2 abr. 2014 19:05:38
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UnderOmerta escribió:
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Veruski escribió:
"rares will always be BiS"

"maps are supposed to be about item drops and not xp"

"razer footprints will only be temporary"

"we care about build diversity"

"we want to avoid power creep"

etc

there's dozens more, but going back on what they say is not new for them

It's not that they go back on what they say. It's that what they say makes no sense to begin with.

How can Reave be about dual wielding if you alternate weapons? How can maps be about item drops and not XP if they're the only way for a high level character to get any XP? None of those sentiments make any sense even from the start.


While providing real life example is not usually the best in a magic game, I'm gonna go with it. When I see people duel wield, they don't always attack with both weapons. I don't think it's a necessary function personally.

Edit: and why are you quoting pneuma and referencing GGG. Or am I missing something?
Editado por útlima vez por SL4Y3R#7487 en 2 abr. 2014 20:58:55
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SL4Y3R escribió:
While providing real life example is not usually the best in a magic game, I'm gonna go with it. When I see people duel wield, they don't always attack with both weapons. I don't think it's a necessary function personally.

How often do you "see people dual wield"? What line of work do you do?

I imagine that people who use weapons don't repeat the same animation 90000 times while walking around a clearing in a big circle and clear until the map is done either.
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Remember when they said "Cyclone won't desync because it ignores collision"...


Well they are right on that. Cyclone does not desync on enemy collision but it has the worst desync in the game with any form of terrain. I can not stand using that skill.

As for reave.. in that same topic devs said that dual wielding probably needs to be buffed if it's not worth it with reave. Reave has extremely good synergy with dualwielding due to reave stacks so there is a problem if it's not being used with reave.
Editado por útlima vez por kasub#2910 en 2 abr. 2014 21:22:34
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Legatus1982 escribió:


Just because the attack speed bonus helps build stacks doesn't mean it's a dual wield skill. You're wasting your "offhand" during every attack you alternate while dual wielding, and not wasting your offhand when you use 1h with a shield.
=IF(Benefit_AttackSpeed>Drawback_WeaponDiff,"Dual-Wield","Not Dual-Wield")
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I make a lot of spreadsheets.
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Editado por útlima vez por ScrotieMcB#2697 en 2 abr. 2014 21:24:18

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