Crafting is officially garbage in POE

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morbo escribió:

Have you tried to 6S or 5L/6L a piece of gear that you have no replacement for or all the replecements are sub-optimal?

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ScrotieMcB escribió:

1. When overall gear drop rate is reduced, it becomes more difficult to find an upgrade directly by farming. Therefore, the first is reduced.

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2. When it comes to orb drop rate, I'm assuming its effect is in the hands of the players. If there isn't "enough" crafting, they'll craft; if there is "enough," they won't. "Enough" in this case depends on how well the other factors of the economy provide players with a sufficiently steady stream of upgrades.

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4. When a player upgrades their gear, the old gear becomes a hand-me-down, which is an upgrade for that player's gear, and then that player's old gear becomes a hand-me-down. The hand-me-down effect thus has a feedback loop with itself, and the only thing preventing it from going infinite is that not every hand-me-down is successfully sold.

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5. Players can feed the hand-me-down effect by crafting; crafting a new upgrade means a new hand-me-down. When describing #2, I said that players will decide when there is "enough" crafting; this is what I mean. When the hand-me-down effect dries up, crafting can stimulate it, and this is very effective because, as described in #4, the hand-me-down effect stimulates itself. Thus actually using orbs becomes the engine which powers the ability to hoard them, creating a macroeconomic incentive.

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6. Changes we make to running the economy will not instantly change the economy, whatever damage has been done has already been done. The Standard economy isn't going to go back in time and undergo some kind of reversal due to this suggestion; the trade vs craft balance will still be bad in that league, but it will get worse slower instead of faster.

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ScrotieMcB escribió:

First half, no, because you'd need to be mentally deficient to craft on gear you're actually wearing.

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When you're crafting you can't be a cheapskate regarding your bases. No, you can't just craft on your current gear. No, you can't just use any shitty base you find. No, you don't need to hoard orbs; the crafting target is stashed, you can apply then immediately. It's more than just how many orbs you have.

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Also, acct-bound currency = have Alchs, can't get Fusings. Bad idea.

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Novalisk escribió:

That goes without question. Economy in Standard is mostly FUBAR, with the only saving grace being players who leave to better leagues, essentially removing their items from the economy.

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ScrotieMcB escribió:

Spoiler

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morbo escribió:

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ScrotieMcB escribió:

First half, no, because you'd need to be mentally deficient to craft on gear you're actually wearing.

Or totally stuck, which in this game can happen. If you are stuck on a 4L you can try for a 5L, since reverting back to 4L is (now) not that difficult. But for that you must hoard a considerable amount of fuses and a decent amount of backup fuses.

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When you're crafting you can't be a cheapskate regarding your bases. No, you can't just craft on your current gear. No, you can't just use any shitty base you find. No, you don't need to hoard orbs; the crafting target is stashed, you can apply then immediately

Spoiler

. It's more than just how many orbs you have.

Have you actually crafted something more demanding than just yolo alc? Yeah, you need optimal bases - and until you get them, you hoard crafting orbs. You base all your assumptions about gameplay on the shopping game, but a lot of players dont shop. You dont just "buy orbs" when you need them, you collect them through your whole gameplay and use them when you loot the right gear.

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Also, acct-bound currency = have Alchs, can't get Fusings. Bad idea.

Uh, yeah, if you assume the current state. An account bound orb system would of course have more vendor recipes for orb exchange.

Excuse the poor formatting; cell phone.

I've never really been stuck, but perhaps that's because I enter the situation assuming I won't need 1 chest, I'll need 2. As such, I don't go past my budget trying to get 1 very nice chest, but instead 2 which are good enough. Same deal with 2h weapons. And otheer gear, too: I'm a big fan of Goldwyrm boots, pretty much all my chars wear them leveling, and I don't feel right until I have two pairs in each league, one to wear and one to Chrome.

I don't yolo alch anything; I save that shit for maps. The only crafting I routinely perform is Chromatic/Jeweler/Fusing. I have gotten stuck once or twice on yolo Chromes; it's a mistake I shall not repeat. Or at least I keep telling myself that. :p

Currency to currency vendor formulas are generally a bad idea because new leagues and races have VERY different currency objectives than more mature leagues.

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Fruz escribió:

I gotta agree with Scrotie, because back when I wanted to start crafting a chest ... or to get a 5L, I got 2 of them, one to craft, on to wear.
And that's how it worked.
Now I only have one, but it's 5L and has really good rolls, even though there are still 3 mods not rolled yet ( could still be 'perfect', who knows <3 ).
That's the best way to do it, use one, and craft the second one when you can/one until it becomes better than the first one, then swap.