[3.20] Ice Dancing Queen - Icestorm/Cyclone/CI - Viable For Everything

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Melnevacor escribió:

Uh, limit of 5 storms is brutal. I've played WI at its relase, when self-cast was the only way to use it - so there was only few storms active simultaneously. It felt EXTREMELY clunky, no matter how big was the dps. And we are back here. Wish I was wrong, but it looks like "rework" is a big, undeserved nerf. Yes, build is strong and occupies top ladder when it comes to ES amount - but it requires massive investment. And there's plenty equally strong builds that cost less than Emperor's Mastery alone.

Anyway, glad I had an awesome league with this build, was fun when it lasted. And looks like it was last chance to dig it from ancient remove-only tab :D

Goodbye Whispering Ice, you will be missed.

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Hemzokuken escribió:

I don't understand how you can have that many storms active when mapping? I walk straight through the map with stampede boots and everything in my path dies. When is there chance to stack 22 storms other than bosses? 5 storms with bigger explosions will be better map clear will it not? Stack some flat damage and pew pew.

As for bosses were you really stacking 110 storms at once? :/

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Hemzokuken escribió:

How will it be clunky?

We are not self casting and will always have 5 storms up?

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Hemzokuken escribió:

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Phabio escribió:

I don't understand how you can have that many storms active when mapping? I walk straight through the map with stampede boots and everything in my path dies. When is there chance to stack 22 storms other than bosses? 5 storms with bigger explosions will be better map clear will it not? Stack some flat damage and pew pew.

As for bosses were you really stacking 110 storms at once? :/

As for stacking storms, it comes down to non-stop cycloning with Spell Cascade/ Woke Cascade. My guardian reaches 110 storms with Woke and regular CWC after 7.8 seconds. That provides an incredible amount of unseen clear when you can cut through a map and mobs that funnel in behind you die.

The issue is less than we're losing "some" storms, and more that the current delivery method of CWC Cyclone will literally overwrite the storms that aren't immediately under us. Every five triggers (about 1.7 seconds) your storms will fall off the back of the stack, leaving little to no cleanup for stragglers.

As for bossing? Honestly, yeah. I boss with Cascade quite frequently, since it helps deal with mobile bosses and keep leech rate up (I don't have the luxury of ES/Hit in SSF).

With all that said, since we're stuck returning to the bad ol' days, I suspect many people will attempt to fill in the gaps in clear with a return to WOrb and Herald of Ice for cleanup.

I've been PoB/Mathing out a Selfcast Arcmage Heirophant in the assumption that AoE scaling will be the winner for clear. Looks like I can get single target to be about 3-4x what it is currently and a "serviceable" AoE for clear with a gem/staff swap. The additional access to Elemental Penetration Support is going to make that even more lucrative. Same with the changes to Intensity.

If anything, the bossing potential for the skill has gone through the roof, but it's still gonna feel bad to run around and cast like a pleb again, though. :/ We had a good ride with the buttery smooth clear. Shame it had to die like this.