[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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@Kindergarten: actually PB is quite the default for this build class and perfectly safe/viable with a non-crazy tree. The clear isn't really getting worse but you get that single target going vs bosses (with both barrage+TS you kind of want to stay close for max dps). 50% "more" is a lot..and you generally want to do significant damage to bosses (ideally kill them) within the flask uptime.

Not doubting that but I just started this game. So currently I have just 6 link TS and no barrage as this is cheap and good to farm up to T13 maps. Will get Barrage Setup later.

Given the skilltree he posted - he knows less than me about the game. So I wouldn't recommend Point Blank with this skilltree at all. With additional 5-6 link barrage, VP, LL and good items it should work. It is also in the other Ranger builds included (which are mostly very similar). I don't question that.

But given the skilltree he posted - he will have very bad items, no uberlab (still lacking it too).
And IMO Point Blank isn't the right option at that point. With 2nd barrage 5+ link and a decent skilltree - sure. Especially without life, damage and LL - it won't work, IMO.

Copying endgame builds without the right items is bad. I learned that the hard way by playing the game.

So I'd recommend not taking PB at this point. There are so many things wrong, that PB would be bad at this point - IMO. Still learning and upgrading. PB isn't even included in OT endgame Tree too. Maybe an oversight - dunno - but that is the base build in this thread.

Don't know much about the meta. Still learning. But I can say that his tree is bad. So read it as a beginners perspective.

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Kindergar1en escribió:

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@Kindergarten: actually PB is quite the default for this build class and perfectly safe/viable with a non-crazy tree. The clear isn't really getting worse but you get that single target going vs bosses (with both barrage+TS you kind of want to stay close for max dps). 50% "more" is a lot..and you generally want to do significant damage to bosses (ideally kill them) within the flask uptime.

Not doubting that but I just started this game. So currently I have just 6 link TS and no barrage as this is cheap and good to farm up to T13 maps. Will get Barrage Setup later.

Given the skilltree he posted - he knows less than me about the game. So I wouldn't recommend Point Blank with this skilltree at all. With additional 5-6 link barrage, VP, LL and good items it should work. It is also in the other Ranger builds included (which are mostly very similar). I don't question that.

But given the skilltree he posted - he will have very bad items, no uberlab (still lacking it too).
And IMO Point Blank isn't the right option at that point. With 2nd barrage 5+ link and a decent skilltree - sure. Especially without life, damage and LL - it won't work, IMO.

Copying endgame builds without the right items is bad. I learned that the hard way by playing the game.

So I'd recommend not taking PB at this point. There are so many things wrong, that PB would be bad at this point - IMO. Still learning and upgrading. PB isn't even included in OT endgame Tree too. Maybe an oversight - dunno - but that is the base build in this thread.

Don't know much about the meta. Still learning. But I can say that his tree is bad. So read it as a beginners perspective.

Nah, you're doing well and have a point with PB being somewhat double-edged and him a newer player.

I'd recommend waiting till lvl 80-85ish with it in that case. Personally.. I'd go for it as early as act 4-5 but there are cons.

The point I was trying to make:

Bow builds are maybe in the top-5 for boss killing or single target in general (I guess). But..they're not "innate" boss killers like GC mines or blade vortex. As lvl 80 with perfect tree but some trashy rare 5l + bad rares/flasks at day 2-3 of the league the single target is worse than sunder/ FB totems / what not. And there is a point to use PB to make the single target at least..somewhat viable.

The ceiling is quite high though and makes every upgrade really worthwhile, be it levels, flasks, jewellery or enchants. So for lvl 80 10c you're doing..let's say.. 0.5x the dmg of sunder but lvl 95 50ex 4-5x.

So no matter if PB or not, it's hard to make the build noobfriendly

Thank you very much for your answers @femfahaz, @Kindergar1en, @juerk.
I have taken the time to try to understand everything and I have learned a lot. if it is not annoying I would like to consult you about the following

* I was seeing blasphemy, I found it very interesting to use some of the "marks" as aura, for me it is more efic than to spend two socket with curse + CurseOnHit. I had thought of assass (critical), but that gives me power charge and not of frenzy (like poacher) .. or use assassin for power charge, and blood rage for frenzy maybe?

* if penetration works best, should I search for all elemt-penetr nodes? or just some and look for the ones that improve my elemental damage? .. and with respect to this i remain in doubt about having available in the tree passives that buff the cold attack .. why not focus everything in this damage? or is another element more effective? or a mixture of several? (I've read that fire is better for single-target)

excuse me to ask so much, instead of just following the guide, is that it seems more productive to learn about the mechanics of the game, to be able to make better decisions in the future :D

I can't manage how to play tornado raider build. It has a lot of damage, but no hp, and pretty every boss or rare mob oneshotes me. In all buid i noticed 1 life leech peck (total 0.4 ll) and in hard situations vaal pact can save me. BUT oneshots don't give a chance for leeching :^

Can please somebody help me with my current build? I know its pretty bad, but i can't see any ways being more tenacious, without alot of currency spent.

Many thanks to everybody who will respond to this message!

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shadowpotion escribió:

I can't manage how to play tornado raider build. It has a lot of damage, but no hp, and pretty every boss or rare mob oneshotes me. In all buid i noticed 1 life leech peck (total 0.4 ll) and in hard situations vaal pact can save me. BUT oneshots don't give a chance for leeching :^

Can please somebody help me with my current build? I know its pretty bad, but i can't see any ways being more tenacious, without alot of currency spent.

Many thanks to everybody who will respond to this message!

From OT:

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DON'T GO OVERBOARD ON UNIQUES - Unique items often provide great advantages. Yet they come at a great cost: most of them lack defensive mechanics. Using too many of them WILL often get you killed.

Aim for max life on all items except bow. Depending on gear some exceptions can be made.
Instead of Rat's nest use Starkojas. 90+ life and also nice defense - just a little bit less crit.

You wanna get to 5000+ life (It is hard yes). LL - it was discussed 1 or 2 pages before.
Soulraker or LL nodes. With 4k+ it gets okay, IMO (using QotF though).

Maligaro and Doryani and even really good. If you want to use uniques you have to make up for it on other slots. Try get items with high max life and + strength.

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Phuelo escribió:

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KrunkZ_ZA escribió:

I also want to know this....Since in the guide it seems u need a 4 link blue for the herald ??? but with the gear mentioned its almost impossible to get a 4 link blue...

For off-coloring gear you can use the Artisan's bench and Jewellers orbs. You can simply start with let's say two blue sockets and add a third random socket. If thats a blue one continue with the fourth. If not just remove it and add a third again. With this technique you use Jewellers orbs instead of Chromatics and it's way cheaper this way.

If my explanation was unclear you can search on Youtube for tutorials about off-coloring.

Thanks Sir !!! this will help!

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Hessed escribió:

* I was seeing blasphemy, I found it very interesting to use some of the "marks" as aura, for me it is more efic than to spend two socket with curse + CurseOnHit. I had thought of assass (critical), but that gives me power charge and not of frenzy (like poacher) .. or use assassin for power charge, and blood rage for frenzy maybe?

You would switch Blasphemy for Curse. So I don't see how you save a slot here? Anyways 4 slot helmet, gloves or boots is fine - and those are easily craftable with Vorici.

As you hit the whole screen, Curse seems better to me than a small aura. And Rangers don't have great Aura buffs.

Power charge is still good - because this build relies on crits. The more the better.
You don't get +1 max frenzy from Poachers - you just go faster to max frenzy charges.

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Hessed escribió:

* if penetration works best, should I search for all elemt-penetr nodes? or just some and look for the ones that improve my elemental damage? .. and with respect to this i remain in doubt about having available in the tree passives that buff the cold attack .. why not focus everything in this damage? or is another element more effective? or a mixture of several? (I've read that fire is better for single-target)

Penetration is already include in the OT Tree. Those cold nodes are pretty good.
But it depends on ele conversion - I don't know how this works.

Basic Idea is: phys2light adds 50% conversion. Signal fire would add 50% conversion too (fire then).

So don't know what would happen with 20% cold conversion here. Not using a Signal Fire - so for me those nodes are good (just took the upper ones to get to conversion - skipped the lower ones) Increased chill + more cold damage would still be decent, though - especially with icebite support on curse links.

What I don't know is what happens if you already have 100 (50+50) conversion and add more conversion from Winterspirit. It seams to get spread among the elementals.

However the basic idea seems to be: Get huge phys damge (Harbinger Bow).+Phys applies. Then convert to ele and +ele % applies.

Unfortunatly there is no cold2phys support gem.

Dunno why but I have 77% conversion to cold (with Winter spirit - without 57% on't know where those come from but probably percentage math). If I add Signal Fire in PoB Cold damage goes down - so you probably don't wanna have to much conversion. Don't know the math behind it.

However - without Signal fire those Cold nodes seem to be decent. Maybe change some items to get more out of cold.

Edit: There is an wiki article about conversion. Not so easy to grasp - but the above is in general not wrong. Those cold nodes are decent without Signal fire conversion. Maybe not meta - but ok. You could try to get more cold damage (there was a quiver with it - I think).

But use PoB with your current Char. You'll see what the nodes get you, like DPS gain, Life and so on. Don't think you can plan a tree without items involved - may be if your know everything about the game. And then it still would need testing. Play, import to PoB, know the generell directions and plan 5-10 levels ahead in PoB, switch some things - and so on.

What Pantheon is good for build nr. 1?

I understood that CurseOnHit should be linked to the active skill (TS in this case), which reduces me a socket, so I proposed curse in aura.
Thanks for the info of ele-damaga, I will look for more about it.
(I still do not know how to share my gear here)

Xbox player here and loving this build. Used Lightning Arrow/Barrage for so long, have now switched to Tornado Shot and its so much easier.

Have found using Warlord's Mark as my curse instead of EleWeak/Assassin has given me substantially better survivability with extra leech and longer duration IC/CWDT. Am only Lev84 and around 3200 HP, looking to get more life in the next few levels.

Tree so far:


Not really sure where to go from here, probably using too many uniques