[2.2] Fyndel´s LL BM or Mana Spectralthrow - UPDATED FOR ASCENDANCY

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stzbttln escribió:

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And your first response to me bring up a guide I made around a year ago, that's sofisticated too. My splitarrow eats spec throw regardless who made the guide :)

But I'm still asking myself this question:

Why don't you recommend your shield on your thread and stop caring about what Fyndel does? He won't change his opinion anyways as you can see.

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Alexlulz escribió:

why would you spent a mirror +fee for something that you will replace when your fully geared? i always try to mirror the best possible and gear the way its the best

Because I want to play resist capped while I reach currency to mirror other items. And I dont even know if I will replace so soon. Like I said its a good shield and work with extreme success in your build. Could not be optimal, but it's not far away from the optmal point.

Again... dont get me wrong, the shield work on yours build and probably was made for yours build. Could not be the #1 but is so good, you should support it, not try to say its garbage. Never saw you say that flubby shield are garbage and dime's shield are even better.

I get it, you think and maybe axns shiled are number #1 and you have all right to say it! I just dont get why you say that dime shield are garbage... it just add value to your build, seriously.

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swib escribió:

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Alexlulz escribió:

why would you spent a mirror +fee for something that you will replace when your fully geared? i always try to mirror the best possible and gear the way its the best

Because I want to play resist capped while I reach currency to mirror other items. And I dont even know if I will replace so soon. Like I said its a good shield and work with extreme success in your build. Could not be optimal, but it's not far away from the optmal point.

Again... dont get me wrong, the shield work on yours build and probably was made for yours build. Could not be the #1 but is so good, you should support it, not try to say its garbage. Never saw you say that flubby shield are garbage and dime's shield are even better.

I get it, you think and maybe axns shiled are number #1 and you have all right to say it! I just dont get why you say that dime shield are garbage... it just add value to your build, seriously.

you dont spent a mirror just for beeing resist capped until you can mirror a other shield doesnt sound right to me

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Xantaria escribió:

But I'm still asking myself this question:

Why don't you recommend your shield on your thread and stop caring about what Fyndel does? He won't change his opinion anyways as you can see.

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Tommie_Sjukskriven escribió:

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stzbttln escribió:

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Alexlulz escribió:

we hit 170 pages guys ♥ lets all thx to dime today he was so kind ♥

if you look back at the last 5 pages, who was trying to spark an actual discussion about items, and who was just mindlessly trolling like a 12 year old? My last post I promise I just had to add a little something. Should make more videos with your crackly teen voice too, would love to hear some more.

And your first response to me bring up a guide I made around a year ago, that's sofisticated too. My splitarrow eats spec throw regardless who made the guide :)

My reply to you was respectful, I told you to stay out of this and stick with marauder life builds, which you specialise in. If you took offense to that, it's not my problem.

@slaydemkidz I don't want to change fyndel's opinion, it's far gone lol and his opinion means nothing. I want to make it clear to people who view this thread that they need to forge their own opinion about which items to mirror, not simply believe fyndel's word because his thread has many pages and in his OP he mentions "not to trust people with mirror services, only trust fyndel because he has no mirror service"

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Alexlulz escribió:

you dont spent a mirror just for beeing resist capped until you can mirror a other shield doesnt sound right to me

Of course its right Fyndel.

Dime shield have plenty ES and Spell Damage.

That's the very core of the build. You are the very one that said that the rest are defense, ES are def and so is resistance. I need the resistance. Both ES and spell damage are so good in his shield.

I dont even need to replace, I would gain so little replacing it.

I'm not talking about the min and max here, like I said you are right in defending which you think are the best. I thnk you just should support too dime's shield, they are really good and a legit option. Was for me and for many others to play YOUR build.

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stzbttln escribió:

I shouldn't have replied at all to this anyway. But it sure as helped show the community just how childish fyndel really is. I'm done for now.

As always people, think everything through before you mirror an item and do your research. Read a lot about the items and calculate your resists by thinking of what item you are going to mirror next. Good luck.

I do not play this build, but I think I'm pretty smart, so I'm going to take a run at this clusterfuck of a discussion

Dime's point is if you have <38% light res shavs, then you cannot cap lightning resist using Axn's shield. So for those with <38% shavs (and/or <45% light res belt) Dime's setup (including his shield) is the "best."

I think that's a pretty reasonable claim. Don't think Alex will disagree with you there.

Alex's point I think is that truly BiS gear (which presumably means mirrored belt and 38%+ shavs) would use Axn's shield. You can still cap resists, plus you get the benefit of extra 6% block, extra ES from legacy base, and extra spell dmg from a better divine.

Now this is the beautiful part that confuses me.

Dime says even this claim by Alex is wrong because his setup gives more resists ("more overcapping") and extra block is useless.

A few things I see problematic with this, Dime:

1. Both setups cap resist, but NEITHER setup overcaps enough to run ele weak maps without resist flasks. In this situation, it does NOT matter if you're at 60 res or 50 res, because at the end of the day, if you don't use +50% res flasks (which would more than cover resists in both scenarios), you're gonna get buttfucked by a reflect pack anyways

2. Given the reasoning above, resists are not a valid countervailing consideration. Therefore Axn's shield provides a net benefit of legacy ES + 6% block + better spell dmg divine, so if you're TRULY min-maxing, then it seems like it's definitely better!

But there's still your claim about how 6% block is completely useless, to which I will just say this. If I have the option of have 75% block or 70% block (with Rumi's), I think I'll take 75% for the same reason I'd rather have 8.5k ES than 8.4k ES. At the end of the day, it really probably does not matter, but it's still better.



Tl;dr- Dime is right about most of what he's saying (aside from 1 critical error), Alex is right about most of what he's saying, ya'll are just talking past each other. Alex needs to learn how to use periods and commas (<3 u), and both of you could be a bit nicer :)

KIPAD 4 LYFE

I come from a different background with my self-crafted gear and 0 mirror-worthy items. I still reach 60k dps, with the notable difference that my ambusher has somewhat low phys damage (12-24 flat, 79% IPD). Most of my damage comes from auras/electrocuting. As such, and being just over the resist cap, any time I get elemental weakness I pretty much die instantly if my rumi wasn't up. Additionally I have somewhat low accuracy, leading to acuity not always saving my ass.

From my perspective, it seems like overcapping to avoid potential ele weakness curse is pretty much a no brainer. I understand if you're at lvl 100 it doesn't matter, but I'd like to get there too. Much of the ongoing conversation is taken from a pure perfect-gear scenario. My question is this:

Is Loath Bane phys damage high enough that you can pretty much have no need to counter the occasional ele weakness curse? If so, that would explain the mirror-to-resist-caps conversation, but if not, it seems a bit silly - why not just aim for resists with the curse cap?