BANANATHROW lvl100x2 proven;uber atziri capable ... (crit ele spectral mass dps and mf capable)

Thank you for the advice about eternal !
It turned out to be 300 chromes in the end :)



Having the charges up all the time is much better as you and flubby said .
I am sitting at 55 k dps with charges and BR up , on a witch build that is not really optimal .
Rolling a scion in ambush and will swap the gear over when league ends .
Gratz on uber kills looks like you got that fight down now !

I may have missed it around here (large thread!) but is there a tree with a Shadow start? Or is it too inefficient?

Also, I've seen some mention about the Witch start being inefficient. However, when I compare it to the Scion start, it has +4% increased spell damage and +20 int (so 4% increased ES) for the same starting 4-point investment. Am I missing something here?

shadow would work.

Lvl95 shadow with Prism Guardian no VP:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYBDH0OSBB7EH8RLxGWFy8ZihnXGo8c3B0UHaoksCj6KlsrCiymLR8tgy9vNAo3ZjvhPI5DY0ZxRwZMs1AwUzVV1lYtVvVXyVj1W_Rcil76X2pjQ2TnZp5tGW1sb55wUnC7cU17133jf8aApIMJhtGIa4t6j0aP-pDWkyeXBpfQmZqaz5u1naOdxKKjpwinK6c0rH-0DLQ4tMW1SLb3tzG4k7k-vjrAUcEAwfPC7MM6w23EosaeykrVT9bR2RPbGttu3nfhiOL344Tquutj6-7sGPLh8-r1S_ba-tL7Cfv1_Ks=

Lvl95 shadow without Prism Guardian but with VP:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYBDkgPxBB7ES8RlhmGGYoZ1xqPHNwdqio4Kk0qWysKLJwspi0fLYMvbzQKN2Y7fDvhPI4_J0SrRnFHBkrITLNQMFM1Va5WLVb1W_Rcil9qY0NtGW1sbqpvnnBScFZwu3DVe9d943_GgwmIQohri3qPpo_6kBuQ1pMnlwaX0JmamhObtZ2joqOnK6c0qW6sR6x_tAy0OLTFtUi18rb3uMq5Pr46wFHBAMHFwfPC7MM6w23EospK1U_W0dkT2xrbXttu29Ted-GI4vfjhOq66yzrY-wY8uHz6vVL9tr7Cfv1_Ks=
You can easily tweak a few things to grab +40% acc for example.

First version is less reliant on the gear than the second one but gives less dps (hence the absence of VP)



Lvl95 Witch no Prism Guardian with VP:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgMBDkgPxBB7ES8RlhmGGYoZ1xqPHNwdqio4Kk0rCiycLKYtHy2DL28yCTQKN2Y7fDvhPI4_J0SrRnFHBkrITLNQMFM1Va5WLVb1W_Rcil9qY0NsRm0ZbWxuqm-ecFJwVnC7cNVybHvXfeN_xoIQgwmIQohri3qOvo-mj_qQG5DWksGTJ5cGl9CZmpoTm7Wdo6KjpyunNKlurEesf7QMtMW1SLXytve4yrk-vjrAUcEAwcXB88LswzrDbcSiykrZE9sa217bbtvU37DhiOL344Tquuss62PsGPLh9Uv22vsJ_Ks=
It's one way of doing it, the best way will obviously depend on your gear. Treat it as an example

The differences between Shadow, Scion, Ranger and Witch are minor in my opinion (and dependent on your itemization choice, just pick the one you want to play. Ranger probably comes slightly ahead, she has a really efficient and fast starting area.


edit: changed the first tree for higher dps (if 8.5+cc dagger)

Thanks for those trees. Much appreciated. In terms of starting, I guess I should have stated that I have a few high-level chars to respec so a smooth start isn't going to be much of an issue. I was doing a comparo primarily with the end-game results in mind (which is why it looked to me that at the end-game the Witch > Scion due to a more powerful first 4 nodes of the tree.) and just didn't see Shadow version to do a third comparison with. Again, much thanks.

EDIT: I noticed while the Shadow has a strong DPS start I'm not quite sure it makes up for missing the two dagger wheels.

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chilipino escribió:

Thanks for those trees. Much appreciated. In terms of starting, I guess I should have stated that I have a few high-level chars to respec so a smooth start isn't going to be much of an issue. I was doing a comparo primarily with the end-game results in mind (which is why it looked to me that at the end-game the Witch > Scion due to a more powerful first 4 nodes of the tree.) and just didn't see Shadow version to do a third comparison with. Again, much thanks.

EDIT: I noticed while the Shadow has a strong DPS start I'm not quite sure it makes up for missing the two dagger wheels.

I would never go that Shadow tree without the two dagger wheels, DPS loss won't be justifiable :/

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Chundadragon escribió:

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chilipino escribió:

Thanks for those trees. Much appreciated. In terms of starting, I guess I should have stated that I have a few high-level chars to respec so a smooth start isn't going to be much of an issue. I was doing a comparo primarily with the end-game results in mind (which is why it looked to me that at the end-game the Witch > Scion due to a more powerful first 4 nodes of the tree.) and just didn't see Shadow version to do a third comparison with. Again, much thanks.

EDIT: I noticed while the Shadow has a strong DPS start I'm not quite sure it makes up for missing the two dagger wheels.

I would never go that Shadow tree without the two dagger wheels, DPS loss won't be justifiable :/

Yeah I'm kind of the same mind with you on that one. I'm now debating Scion vs. Witch and again if I'm missing something it appears that the Witch has a little more DPS and ES than the Scion version (the difference being only the first 4 points at the start).

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chilipino escribió:

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Chundadragon escribió:

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chilipino escribió:

Thanks for those trees. Much appreciated. In terms of starting, I guess I should have stated that I have a few high-level chars to respec so a smooth start isn't going to be much of an issue. I was doing a comparo primarily with the end-game results in mind (which is why it looked to me that at the end-game the Witch > Scion due to a more powerful first 4 nodes of the tree.) and just didn't see Shadow version to do a third comparison with. Again, much thanks.

EDIT: I noticed while the Shadow has a strong DPS start I'm not quite sure it makes up for missing the two dagger wheels.

I would never go that Shadow tree without the two dagger wheels, DPS loss won't be justifiable :/

Yeah I'm kind of the same mind with you on that one. I'm now debating Scion vs. Witch and again if I'm missing something it appears that the Witch has a little more DPS and ES than the Scion version (the difference being only the first 4 points at the start).

Witch is stronger unless you don't want the Evasion route and would prefer to head directly to Vaal Pact from the Scion start (I did that since I'm starved of points at level 91)

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Chundadragon escribió:

Witch is stronger unless you don't want the Evasion route and would prefer to head directly to Vaal Pact from the Scion start (I did that since I'm starved of points at level 91)

Really good point here. Thanks for pointing that out.