[3.20] Ice Dancing Queen - Icestorm/Cyclone/CI - Viable For Everything

"

Nishrek escribió:

"

Portuscale escribió:

just want to ask, if you looking at Occulist and can also look at elementalist, it looks that the damage buffs seem good to have a look.

He answered above.
How good is this build without Stampede?

"

Nishrek escribió:

"

Portuscale escribió:

just want to ask, if you looking at Occulist and can also look at elementalist, it looks that the damage buffs seem good to have a look.

He answered above.
How good is this build without Stampede?

"

Nishrek escribió:

How good is this build without Stampede?

"

phantom_god escribió:

and we can take lige of the primordial for some more dmg? its only 50% more dmg but u can add flame golem thats more %dmg and another golem and u can add jewels for more golems? thats a lot more dmg no? with animastone you can get 4 golems thats 100% more dmg 100% more affect of the golems and they reswapn on their own but i do lose some int/es from reguler jewels

and does that mean witch over scion for now?

"

Kelvynn escribió:

"

phantom_god escribió:

and we can take lige of the primordial for some more dmg? its only 50% more dmg but u can add flame golem thats more %dmg and another golem and u can add jewels for more golems? thats a lot more dmg no? with animastone you can get 4 golems thats 100% more dmg 100% more affect of the golems and they reswapn on their own but i do lose some int/es from reguler jewels

and does that mean witch over scion for now?

Liege of the Primordial grants additive (Increased) damage, not multiplicative (MORE). We already have so many MORE multipliers and such a huge Increased stat that it wouldn't add a whole lot. The golems would need to be Flame (another small Increased dmg mod) and Chaos (a small defense bonus vs phys hits). And it would have to be taken instead of Bastion of Elements, replacing the reflect immunity - the only unique feature of the class.

Sure, it would be viable. Just not quite as good as Occultist.

The question of Witch (Occultist) vs Scion is still open.

"

Kelvynn escribió:

I'm personally leaning towards Occultist because I've played Ascendant for the last few leagues, plus I value quality of life over stat min-maxing. Unless the patch notes contain something unexpected, I think I'll try the Occultist.

"

Kelvynn escribió:

So here's the big thing: Ascendant vs new Occultist.

I've tinkered in PoB a bit to see what would happen with the same exact gear as my 3.12 character if I go Occultist in 3.13. This is the final PoB for 3.12 Ascendant from the top post:
https://pastebin.com/GWyAxgmv

The best tree I could come up with for Occultist is this:
https://pastebin.com/ZbmX7eXN
If you multiply the damage by 1.15 for the new upcoming mod (until PoB is patched), the damage is about the same as Ascendant.

Then the question is what can be gained by going Occultist, and at what cost.

First, the cost:

1. It's harder to max resists. In my Occ project PoB they are still not maxed and would require a better left ring. It can be done. Just harder.

2. It's harder to upgrade from Astramentis to a rare amulet. The stat requirements are tighter, and I had to take Practical Application.

3. Because of the lower Int on the Occultist, my ES also ended up being lower. Not by much. But lower (13k vs 13.5k).

4. Ascendant has been stable for a long time and has a tested and proven path that you can take. The detailed guide is here, and so far nothing will be different in 3.13 (pending the patch notes). Occultist requires development when it comes to leveling and the initial Classic setup before switching to the clusters. You may have to think for yourself and make decisions not covered by the guide.

Now, what's gained:

1. Clear speed. Profane Bloom with the new 40% chance should result in a significantly faster clear. And if you like Delirium and/or Delve, this is going be huge for those particular targets.

2. Freeze and chill immunity. Ascendant Inquisitor is immune to ele ailments on consecrated ground which she constantly creates. But still, I had to carry a Heat flask because when you move fast (Delve, Delirium) you constantly outrun your consecrated ground. And getting frozen is very annoying. I also suspect that full immunity to everything bad will be important in those 10-boss Ritual fights.

3. Stronger defenses. Occultist has an extra mod that reduces enemy damage (2 x 10% reduction vs 1 x 10% from Asc Inquisitor). Plus increased effect of curses. Plus ignoring Hexproof. Plus freezing everything around you every 4 sec for 0.6 sec - that should be very nice in those 10-boss fights as well.

Overall, both classes should be great and viable. Ascendant offers an easier path to a known power level. Occultist is an experiment that takes more effort but may result in a greater final result.

I'm personally leaning towards Occultist because I've played Ascendant for the last few leagues, plus I value quality of life over stat min-maxing. Unless the patch notes contain something unexpected, I think I'll try the Occultist.

"

Breken escribió:

Tiny bit concerned about losing stun immunity if you go Malediction, and Profane Bloom. Haven't played WI without stun immunity so I'm not sure how impactful stuns would be. Nice thing about Occultist is you can always ditch a damage node and retake vile bastion if it's needed.