[3.10] Spidermancer | Arakaali's Fang Necromancer | Everything dead in 3ex | Level 100 reached

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NecropK escribió:

Ya i dunno, I guess when I read his guide/setup I took his word thinking that chaos conversion may be best for this build in its current state. Maybe the builds just dead I dunno, as much as I hate to say that because I really wanted to play it. Maybe I will just stay with golems they way everything is now sounding.

Chaos conversion is bad for several reasons:
-It's a huge pain to reduce chaos res (He doesn't even try in his build). While he is right about elemental res being higher than chaos res, he conveniently forget about means to reduce elemental res are just everywhere. On a minion build, it's incredibly easy to get 90%+ elemental res reduction. Meanwhile, for a chaos build, once despair (-10% chaos res) is used... you have basically nothing else easily available.
-The reflect is pointless if we are talking about arakaali
-Wither is shit compared to impale + increased physical taken or compared to hatred + cold pen.
-Bypassing ES is cute, but completely anecdotical (and end games bosses have chaos damage which doesn't bypass ES).

The build is far from dead, it just need evolution, and none of the guides currently done here exploit properly cluster jewels. I mean, look at the pob, look at the dps it does, look at the conditions required to deal this dps, and try to find flaws. I won't say there is none, but everything is here.

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NecropK escribió:

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NecropK escribió:

Ya i dunno, I guess when I read his guide/setup I took his word thinking that chaos conversion may be best for this build in its current state. Maybe the builds just dead I dunno, as much as I hate to say that because I really wanted to play it. Maybe I will just stay with golems they way everything is now sounding.

Chaos conversion is bad for several reasons:
-It's a huge pain to reduce chaos res (He doesn't even try in his build). While he is right about elemental res being higher than chaos res, he conveniently forget about means to reduce elemental res are just everywhere. On a minion build, it's incredibly easy to get 90%+ elemental res reduction. Meanwhile, for a chaos build, once despair (-10% chaos res) is used... you have basically nothing else easily available.
-The reflect is pointless if we are talking about arakaali
-Wither is shit compared to impale + increased physical taken or compared to hatred + cold pen.
-Bypassing ES is cute, but completely anecdotical (and end games bosses have chaos damage which doesn't bypass ES).

The build is far from dead, it just need evolution, and none of the guides currently done here exploit properly cluster jewels. I mean, look at the pob, look at the dps it does, look at the conditions required to deal this dps, and try to find flaws. I won't say there is none, but everything is here.

I agree with most of this, but realistically how many cluster nodes can we get? And with however many, how much defense or life are we dropping to reach them.

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painangel escribió:

using it right now, it feels fine for me. still have to fight sirus with it tho

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NecropK escribió:

Ya I am playing a stone golem build right now. I switched to spiders for a bit hoping they would be ok, but didnt feel good for the most part. I am actually about to try the spiders again with full chaos conversion with 4 white triad grips and saqawals nest with aspect of avian to get 25% chance at dealing double damage. This combined with baron and 6 linked zombies. I think it was angry rollplayers build. But this is pretty much last resort for spiders I think. Because if this doesnt work I just dont know what would. And really only going to try this because I got a bottle faith drop from cortex last night and can fund it.

I'm posting it here as well (since it looks like you don't see any possibilities with arakaali), but I believe going full cluster jewels is the way to go right now. Like REALLY going full cluster jewels (aka zero minion nodes in the regular tree). The spider nerf was really significant in 3.10 (-38% damage), but you can do much higher damage than before with cluster jewels (aka rotten claws, cry wolf and renewal, lot of copies). I'm hitting 13M dps after removing a lot of damage from my initial draft (no spectre, no carrion golem, no feeding frenzy, no other minion at all btw. I was over 16M dps at first, but the defenses and QOL sucked hard) and with very few requirements (basically, you being close enough for pride, war banner and some hits for maim). The "in fight summon" is also very easy since you have no other minions. Just pop desecrate, the jar and cyclone and it's done.

The build also feature:
-Elemental ailment removal on writing jar (and some passive charge regen even without ryslatha)
-High uptime 40% less damage fortify and adrenaline (if you remove generosity on banner, lowering the damage to 12,4M). If you get high roll perfidy, it's actually close to 50%.
-A very good life regeneration (around 1K5-2K) and the possibility to play with bone offering on top of that.
-No switch required between clearing and bossing...
-Because the clearing is done with abyssal cry (dealing 65% mob life on explosion, with 270% increased aoe), triggered by al dhih (which is not a dead weapon, as it gives a fair amount of damage, attack speed and life regen), which is incredible in delirium.
-However, a shield switch for bossing is very easy to do and won't hurt the build at all (well, maybe the regen a bit)
-I don't think it's very expensive, as you don't even need 8 passives large jewels, the 9 passives are working almost the same (you lose 5% increased damage per large jewel, 15% total).
-A version without war banner and perfidy is also possible (for instance for a 25% increased offering effect to try to reach the block cap), but you will lose even more damage. May be worth it in some case.
-As cons, it has a lot of buttons to push all the time (warcries, especially), so some people may dislike that. I tried to automate as much as possible.

https://pastebin.com/cTNJUCLM (Generosity disabled)

For the (quite cheap) price, the build has almost twice the dps of every arakaali build posted on this forum currently (and tbh, I found the build from
angry rollplayer quite mediocre since the chaos conversion is really bad compared to physical/cold). And it's without frenzy charge or other highly theorical buff (given the life expectancy of specters in delirium) on spiders x)

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Keyen escribió:

Wait, you are not using rallying cry? That's 615% increased damage for your spiders. It will feel like day and night (it's the core of the build dps). It will also pump abyssal cry explosion by a lot.

Edit: Nvm, you do use it, but you should aim for 100% uptime. It's the most important factor to improve here, and the duration is high enough so you don't have to bother much about it^^

BTW, you don't need anti freeze flasks, writhing jar remove elemental ailment with essence extraction.

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NecropK escribió:

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Keyen escribió:

Wait, you are not using rallying cry? That's 615% increased damage for your spiders. It will feel like day and night (it's the core of the build dps). It will also pump abyssal cry explosion by a lot.

Edit: Nvm, you do use it, but you should aim for 100% uptime. It's the most important factor to improve here, and the duration is high enough so you don't have to bother much about it^^

BTW, you don't need anti freeze flasks, writhing jar remove elemental ailment with essence extraction.

Ya, wasnt 100% on flask setup. Kinda just threw it together. Also I never play cries so ya I need to keep them up for sure. And I want to switch gear out to get more chaos res and vulnerability ring.