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Soepkieken escribió:
Well, for me PoE IS Diablo 3, as it is exacly what I wanted after Diablo 2, which I played for about ten years. For me Diablo 2 was all about:
- Tree and gear planning and puzzling.
- Interesting uniques with special abilities (/runewords).
- Different mechanics, forcing you to make choices (e.g. defenses: block, armour rating, passive defenses (pally slow aura, amazon evade,...), weakening curses, resistances, life,...).
- Replayability: after playing a summoner necro, a poison necro is a whole different story. It's nice to build up such characters from the beginning.
- Fixed characters so not everybody in the end changes to the most OP cookiecutter builds.
- Allows for crazy fun niche builds like a polar bear or valkyriezon.
- ...
For Diablo 3, I wanted those things as the core but even better, but PoE succeeded much better then Diablo 3 to do so:
- PoE's tree is awesome, no denial. It is the best part of the game and a milestone in gaming history. Out of Diablo 2's simple trees, this beauty was born.
If I just want to fight, there are other genres. The genre Diablo 1 started is about complexity and build puzzling and creativity, not just about smashing skulls... which is what Diablo 3 offers.
- PoE's non-legacy uniques are by far more interesting then Diablo 3's. They don't rule out good rares (I'm talking about non-legacy!) but are often build-enabling or ingenious in another way. The existence of legacy is a shame, as legacy almost literally means: "not good for game balance and hence the entire game in itself". If an item is good then it doesn't become legacy, so legacies are bad items.
- Let's take a look at PoE's defenses: energy shield or life, block/dodge and their spell versions, armour and evasion, arctic armour, regen, (instant-)leech, LoH, resistances, max resists,... . All different but usefull mechanisms. In Diablo 3 resistances and armour are universal and basically the same. While PoE forces you into choices, Diablo 3 pretty much says: just take as much as you can of everything, don't think too much: "more is better"!
- The replayability in PoE is great because of the skill system, tree and gear. Diablo 3 allows you to change your current build completely at any time because reasonably few dedication towards a certain build is required due to uncreative gear and a too flexible plain skill system.
- Yes, I too played WW Barb even if I started out throwing. But the temptation of being just better and the idea that you can change your build in an eyeblink was just too strong. I was not feeling very unique, but to be that in Diablo 3, you just need to be weak and skip the obvious winning formula's everybody uses.
I won't deny the strong points of Diablo 3:
- Graphics.
- Original boss fights. The only cases where PoE is less complex and more straightforward.
- Class distinctiveness. I really like the tree concept and the skill gem system of PoE, but it would be fun if they add something distinctive to every class apart from their looks and insignificant starting stats. A choice out of 3 class-specific keystones e.g..
But in the end I think it's obvious that whereas Diablo 2 was for the dedicted, complexity-loving creative build planner (it WAS played for 10 years by many), PoE succeeded much better then Diablo 3 to be a successor to this.
Diablo 3 is for the more casual players, younger players or players who don't like to unravel the depth of interesting game mechanics. If you want to use your brain, you play PoE. If you just want to bash demon's skulls, play Diablo 3.
The boss fights in D3 are some instanced no TP out crap. How can anyone find that good? Boss fights in POE are much better if only people wouldnt alt F4 doing them the this game would be worth partying in.
And graphics, really? Its not about the graphics, its about story, and D3 failed on that end. Its some mindless hacknslash and thats what i do when i play it. I ignore the story and beam around like crazy exploding shiz.
And take off the nostalgia goggles and you see D2 wasnt all that great. D2 LOD made it slightly better in some ways and worse in others.
So i stand by it: D3 is for mindless killing, D2 is overshadowed by nostalgia and POE is about build diversity.
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Publicado porBorradoen 20 ene. 2015 8:20:00
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xxxmarok84xxx escribió:
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Xavderion escribió:
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xxxmarok84xxx escribió:
I am not saying that these are bad games but for players who are looking for more in depth and complicated things in a game wont find it in Blizzard's games. It's for casuals and lazy players. In short, they are designed so everybody can play them and still win even the biggest noobs and lame players in the world.
This doesn't make sense when you're talking about PvP games. The skill ceiling in PvP is your opponents skill, and the elo system works in a way which lets you win roughly 50% of the games on your particular skill level. Especially HotS has more depth than people realize (I agree Hearthstone is casual sauce but your argument is still flawed).
Played Dota since release for years, Heroes of Newearth for like 2 years, than League of Legends and also tried dota 2. I still play LoL today. I played HotS for a few days only. It is absolutely garbage.
As a good and a veteran moba player I agree with everything in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDxWKr6xLKI
Also notice the lieks and dislikes in the vid... so many people cant be wrong.
LOL, I love dunkey :) You shouldn't take his videos too seriously though. And if you think HotS is just another LoL or DotA, you'll be disappointed. It plays completely differently. Once you adapt to the fact that it's a different game and you're basically comparing apples to oranges, you might have fun. HotS is more like a moba version of WoW battlegrounds. And I loved WoW battlegrounds. I also know a lot of DotA players who play HotS because it's so different :)
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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mazul escribió:
Yet the D3 endgame is harder than the PoE endgame. And any respectable college degree requires far more brain activity than anything PoE provides.
Heck, even League of Legends requires more brain than PoE.
comparing pvp to pve again eh, are we?
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Look at Heroes of Storm or Hearthstone for example. How can these games compete with MTG or LOL/Dota ? They can't.
they can and they are. heartstone is pretty big for the time that its out now.
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i for my self am just playing D3 after every patch untill i get bored, which (depending on the patch) can be long or short
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Publicado poriHaku#0909en 20 ene. 2015 8:35:44
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iHaku escribió:
comparing pvp to pve again eh, are we?
When both are viable forms of entertainment, then yes.
This message was delivered by GGG defence force.
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Publicado pormazul#2568en 20 ene. 2015 8:36:35
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LoL I played RoS for about a month when it came out then immediately got bored to death when I tried practically all builds there were to try in which half of them were just awful. Plus, why play a stupid game in which you find something you don't want, but can't trade it? Wasn't going to waste my time hoping the right things drop.
And the graphics weren't even that great. Blurry textures, too much color. Waay too much FX that covers the screen which leads to you not seeing a damn thing and getting killed. And.... getting jailed takes half your health away!? The hell were they thinking there!?
Then there's the stupid witch doctor.... Had so much fun with the necromancer, but this pea soup puking retard had to come in and ruin the experience. Only thing missing in PoE are skeleton mages or something that shoots missiles.
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iHaku escribió:
haha thats pretty much what i love in poe. i HATE the trifecta. its bad. and boring.
if i can play a 2H Axe witch why whouldnt you let me? it sure looks silly but its fun. and thats what games are about for me.
Nothing keeps you from using a 2H witch in a Class specific game...
damn, Melee witch was fucking OP in D2
ZiggyD is the Labyrinth of streamers, some like it, some dont, but GGG will make sure to push it down ur throat to make you like it
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Publicado porSexcalibure#7575en 20 ene. 2015 8:44:57En período de prueba
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mazul escribió:
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iHaku escribió:
comparing pvp to pve again eh, are we?
When both are viable forms of entertainment, then yes.
thats not was has been compared. the difficulty has been compared and thats pretty much... impossible. because pvp games are as hard as the opponents your facing.
i could say "oh man lol is so easy just brain afk play and win everything" while only playing on lowelo smurfs. this holds true for every pvp game ever
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Publicado poriHaku#0909en 20 ene. 2015 10:00:18
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Sexcalibure escribió:
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iHaku escribió:
haha thats pretty much what i love in poe. i HATE the trifecta. its bad. and boring.
if i can play a 2H Axe witch why whouldnt you let me? it sure looks silly but its fun. and thats what games are about for me.
Nothing keeps you from using a 2H witch in a Class specific game...
damn, Melee witch was fucking OP in D2
yes it does. in the trifecta you can only use the weapons that are classspecific. like a wand for witches. you cant equipt those in generic games.
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Publicado poriHaku#0909en 20 ene. 2015 10:01:25
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PoE Pros :
+ Acton's Nightmare Soundtrack
+ Awesome MTX
+ Sexy Scion/Zana/Piety
+ Even if its path of life nodes still satisfiying progressing on tree like Oh 2 more level to unlock that beefy life node !
+ Seraph Spectral Throw Skin
+ Vampiric Set MTX
+ Customer Service replying e-mails in 2 hours
PoE Cons :
- Have no good not even close to decent streamers but Nugiyen and Mathil
- Desync
- Desync
- Did i say desync which never getting fixed
- Loadng Screen Deaths
- Poe Stopped Working Deaths
- Worst possible ingame item designs ever (this is intended to sell mtx)
- Worst possible drop rates ever
- Path of Trading (i get %90 wealth from trading not drops)
- Even i am buying a lot MTX, they are too expensive. Normal prices should be %50 off of their prices.
- Everything is GG with shavronne (not because i am poor, i had many 6L shavs and sold just 1 too yesterday i just don't like the concept)
Overall Diablo 2 LOD > PoE > D3
Squirrel is love, Squirrel is life. Editado por útlima vez por TheFlyingSquirrel#5877 en 20 ene. 2015 10:07:29
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EdgeVII escribió:
PoE Pros :
+ Acton's Nightmare Soundtrack
+ Awesome MTX
+ Sexy Scion/Zana/Piety
+ Even if its path of life nodes still satisfiying progressing on tree like Oh 2 more level to unlock that beefy life node !
+ Seraph Spectral Throw Skin
+ Vampiric Set MTX
+ Customer Service replying e-mails in 2 hours
PoE Cons :
- Have no good not even close to decent streamers but Nugiyen and Mathil
- Desync
- Desync
- Did i say desync which never getting fixed
- Loadng Screen Deaths
- Poe Stopped Working Deaths
- Worst possible ingame item designs ever (this is intended to sell mtx)
- Worst possible drop rates ever
- Path of Trading (i get %90 wealth from trading not drops)
- Even i am buying a lot MTX, they are too expensive. Normal prices should be %50 off of their prices.
- Everything is GG with shavronne (not because i am poor, i had many 6L shavs and sold just 1 too yesterday i just don't like the concept)
Overall Diablo 2 LOD > PoE > D3
So how many streamers stream your beloved D2 LOD? Nostalgia is whats wrong with most gamers. No one can adapt to change and new things.
The only thing your incessant whining was right about was the shavs comment. They should just slap the CI 1 life stat on it but yeah, they wont because they love it when people run around with 10 auras on life reserve plus their mana to cast spells/attacks with. Worst designed unique ever in any game.
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Publicado porBorradoen 20 ene. 2015 10:21:59
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