[3.25] 41+ million DPS perma-flask Poisonous Concoction | Pathfinder

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Rakschas666 escribió:

The increase in flask charge consumption seems a bit on the heavy handed side, combined with the loss of so much utility in the PF nodes. Still, there's a billion sources of but flat and %"increased flask charges gained" on the tree that I am not at all pesimistic about this builds and skills future.

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t0lkien escribió:

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Rakschas666 escribió:

The increase in flask charge consumption seems a bit on the heavy handed side, combined with the loss of so much utility in the PF nodes. Still, there's a billion sources of but flat and %"increased flask charges gained" on the tree that I am not at all pesimistic about this builds and skills future.

For leveling - which is what most people use the skill for - it will still be fine. You don't even need to use a flask. You can eat the direct 30-50% damage nerf and still get to maps without much problem. But for endgame it's dead, at least if you want to do decent numbers. The skill nerf alone will make it much less fun to play, as you'll always be monitoring your flask charges on a build designed to take advantage of fast poison stacking. RNG-based charge conservation/renewal is a really shitty mechanic when you'll potentially be consuming 10 charges per attack. At 4+ attacks per second, that will empty a single life flask in under a second.

But that's not the worst part of the nerf. The loss of AoE, something GGG has been progressively removing from various sources throughout the game, can't be replaced. That means at endgame you will only be able to get about 5 maybe 6 potions to overlap on single targets - with effort. IMO all of it combines to be a ~50% damage nerf, and a significant QoL hit.

This build at endgame is not cheap, and pushing it to its limit is/was most of the fun, at least for me. There may be ways around all the nerfs (though I don't see them) but they won't be easy, or cheap if they exist. Frankly, I'd rather put the level of effort that is going to be required into a build that has guaranteed return.

It's so strange when GGG do things like this. Very few people took PConc to endgame, yet their nerfs couldn't have been more specifically targeted against using it at that level. It's a kind of ongoing punitive (almost vindictive) design many people find frustrating, me included.

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BowWizard escribió:

I'll check out any build you post T0lkien but I'm not sure I have the strength or inclination to make another build, given it can be screwed over by GGG at the drop of a hat. They couldn't have killed my enthusiasm more effectively with such banal decisions.

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t0lkien escribió:

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BowWizard escribió:

I'll check out any build you post T0lkien but I'm not sure I have the strength or inclination to make another build, given it can be screwed over by GGG at the drop of a hat. They couldn't have killed my enthusiasm more effectively with such banal decisions.

I feel you completely. I'm currently playing Palsteron's Toxic Rain Ballistas to try and farm up some semblance of currency to begin something else, but it's already been a pretty miserable league for me. Everything is harder, and more punitive.

This is a great game, but it is also one of the worst for player experience because of this stuff. I learned a long time ago not to grow attached to any build overmuch, but sometimes it feels uncomfortably like an abusive relationship. IMO they are mishandling their "vision" and ultimately have little regard for player investment. There are more people playing right now than ever, though, so what do I know.

UPDATE: My league start has been horrendous. So in desperation I'm going back to PConc to see how bad it really is. If I can figure out a way to make it endgame viable again, I'll let you know.