[3.20] Ice Dancing Queen - Icestorm/Cyclone/CI - Viable For Everything

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Cjin escribió:

Not counting Awakened Hextouch and flasks, that is about 48% damage loss total. With the buff to Icestorm base damage, it is total of 31% damage loss.

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whiterockxx escribió:

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Cjin escribió:

Not counting Awakened Hextouch and flasks, that is about 48% damage loss total. With the buff to Icestorm base damage, it is total of 31% damage loss.

I've been playing Whispering ice last 5 leagues... now seems like is the time to move on :(

I really see no good future to this build, sadly

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Kelvynn escribió:

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whiterockxx escribió:

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Cjin escribió:

Not counting Awakened Hextouch and flasks, that is about 48% damage loss total. With the buff to Icestorm base damage, it is total of 31% damage loss.

I've been playing Whispering ice last 5 leagues... now seems like is the time to move on :(

I really see no good future to this build, sadly

Can't this be said about every other build that uses 'MORE damage' support gems? Icestorm base damage was buffed, so the overall power nerf is smaller than most meta builds.

GGG wants ALL builds to do less damage.

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loczek123 escribió:

If CwC requires mana to be used, will selfcast be considered? Adding two supports to it will cost a lot of mana but it will also do incredible damage, with the amount of int this character has, I think it is quite manageable?

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whiterockxx escribió:

The lack of dmg will not be the core of the problem...

• all flasks changed(no basalt flask, half granite and half wise oak mitigation);
• bonechill will not affect Icestorm damage anymore;
• One less curse (without blasphemy).

We will take one shots often then ever, even with an overlord Megalomaniac that will cost a lung.

I really hope someone shows me that I'm wrong about this, but I don't have much hope.

To make this build work for endgame, will be needed over 100ex for sure. Without it, expect deaths over deaths, pain (not be able to do some content) and at last rage, to insist with WI.

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• bonechill will not affect Icestorm damage anymore;

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Cjin escribió:

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loczek123 escribió:

If CwC requires mana to be used, will selfcast be considered? Adding two supports to it will cost a lot of mana but it will also do incredible damage, with the amount of int this character has, I think it is quite manageable?

I don't think it is that bad. After getting 5 storms up, even if you miss every second storm trigger, you are not gonna loose that much since you cannot have more than 5 storms up anyway. For me the problem sounds to be to have large enough unreserved mana pool, that you can affort to cast Icestorms and movementskills.

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Kelvynn escribió:

Hi guys! I came to check out the new league, and I'm confused.

The announcement says that "In 3.15, triggering skills through support gems will require paying their mana cost." That's pretty bad for Icestorm with its 22 base mana cost.

The Balance Manifesto says that "most triggered skills now cost mana".

The Patch Notes don't say anything about that at all. Instead, they list specific changes to certain support gems such as CWDT (250% mana cost of the supported skill).

So, is casting Icestorm via CwC going to cost mana (other than the cost of Cyclone) or not?

I couldn't find an answer in the patch notes or on reddit.

All other changes in 3.15 are fine with me, since GGG wants to nerf power across the board.

Auto-triggering flasks will be great QoL. Ailment immunity nerfs aren't going to affect us much. Quicksilver nerf? Well, I've been promoting The Stampede since 3.10 already.

And Icestorm damage is getting buffed to counter the numeric nerf in 3.12 - getting it back to pre-nerf base damage. I guess it took the devs 2 leagues to implement that adjustment.