[3.6] Worms of Command - (Infinite worms + chains of command on a PF)

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Sbbulakk escribió:

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DreamScythe escribió:

Welcome!

This build uses the new unique Chains of Command to perpetually summons hoards of animated weapons as a pathfinder. (you can also use a scion PF/ Necro, Occ, or Inquis)

Hi Guys,

I have a couple questions/ideas that maybe someone is willing to test for me as I don't have the items (yet).

What happens if you equip your animated guardian with chains of command? It states "When animated guardian..." so its effects should still apply, but I'm specifically interested in "You cannot have non-animated minions" property... Will it apply to "you", in this case the animated guardian only, or will it affect your character too? That will be similar to Bringer of Rain that says "Can't use chest armour"...

Now the second part... Let's say you equip the animated guardian with a Queen's Escape... Will every animated weapon give all your minions a nice boost in speed, plus health and damage? Will the increased Skeleton duration apply to your skeletons? and what about the +1 to skeleton, zombies and spectres?

In case you are not following my train of thoughts, will I be able to break the server trying to sustain 50 animated Queen's Escapes accumulating 5100% increased minion speed, 10200% skeleton duration, and +50 limit of skeleton, zombies and spectres for total mayhem?

Even more, you won't even need to keep the 50 swords all the time, with just a couple the accumulative bonuses may be nuts, even though it may require a little bit of body gardening with desecrate/unearth

Think of the possibilities... a never dying (pun intended) skeleton army (vaal skeleton anyone?) you will clear the map before timer runs out, specially with the increased speed. Necromancer zombies that grant phys damage reduction... with almost 60% reduction and a bit of effort you can forget about immortal call... manage to get a The Baron in there with 1K Strength and you have a life gathering army... At this point you can picture yourself...

(PLEASE DON'T NERF!)

Thanks for reading!

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Mennphis escribió:

I'll try it tonight, but I'm already 95% sure of the result :

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Mennphis escribió:

1) About giving a chains of command to an animated guardian : your animated guardian can't cast any skill, even triggered skills (enchant lab for exemple) so he will not be able to trigger the animate weapon skill from the chains of command.

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Mennphis escribió:

2) About the queen's escape : I think that this will not work. Minion damage only apply to the sword owner (so the animate guardian / animate weapon). When you give an armor to your guardian, do you gain its stats ? It's the same thing, I think, with minion damage on queen's escape.

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Sbbulakk escribió:

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Mennphis escribió:

I'll try it tonight, but I'm already 95% sure of the result :

Keep me posted, I was just getting the items to test myself, but couldn't find a cheap queen's yet to trash. I was about to use a Q's Decree and check if life bonuses applied to all swords or not.

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Mennphis escribió:

1) About giving a chains of command to an animated guardian : your animated guardian can't cast any skill, even triggered skills (enchant lab for exemple) so he will not be able to trigger the animate weapon skill from the chains of command.

I know this is a long shot, but wanted to discard it. It will be very broken if you could get the swords without the no not-animated minions restriction.

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Mennphis escribió:

2) About the queen's escape : I think that this will not work. Minion damage only apply to the sword owner (so the animate guardian / animate weapon). When you give an armor to your guardian, do you gain its stats ? It's the same thing, I think, with minion damage on queen's escape.

I'm actually more interested in this one and to know if "minions" bonus apply to all swords cumulative or not at all. If so, the 10-15% life and 80-100% speed bonus may be nuts. I mean, when the item has an "nearby allies" get bonus, it applies, is "minions" more restrictive? usually, it refers to "your" minions, but as they are your minions who provide bonus to your minions, maybe, maybe, it works...

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Sbbulakk escribió:

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Sbbulakk escribió:

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Mennphis escribió:

I'll try it tonight, but I'm already 95% sure of the result :

Keep me posted, I was just getting the items to test myself, but couldn't find a cheap queen's yet to trash. I was about to use a Q's Decree and check if life bonuses applied to all swords or not.

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Mennphis escribió:

1) About giving a chains of command to an animated guardian : your animated guardian can't cast any skill, even triggered skills (enchant lab for exemple) so he will not be able to trigger the animate weapon skill from the chains of command.

I know this is a long shot, but wanted to discard it. It will be very broken if you could get the swords without the no not-animated minions restriction.

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Mennphis escribió:

2) About the queen's escape : I think that this will not work. Minion damage only apply to the sword owner (so the animate guardian / animate weapon). When you give an armor to your guardian, do you gain its stats ? It's the same thing, I think, with minion damage on queen's escape.

I'm actually more interested in this one and to know if "minions" bonus apply to all swords cumulative or not at all. If so, the 10-15% life and 80-100% speed bonus may be nuts. I mean, when the item has an "nearby allies" get bonus, it applies, is "minions" more restrictive? usually, it refers to "your" minions, but as they are your minions who provide bonus to your minions, maybe, maybe, it works...

Hi Mennphis, have you been able to try it?

Regards!