[3.3] BloodFlurry (18+ mill dps), Instant Leech, Inc. Hardcore Version (Elder/Shaper/Guardians/Uber)

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TiltedX91 escribió:

Don't just say "its inefficient" when asked about catalyst and hrimburn... even your longer explanation doesn't elaborate...

Moonsorrow gives you 50% coversion at the cost of your offhand.
Hrimburn gives you 50% conversion at the cost of your gloves (although it still gives strength, small dmg, and a resist)

However... catalyst = 40% global crit, 130% inc. ele, and some leach.... how can a glove slot possibly be better than that?

sure, you get more lightning conversion from moonsorrow, but that still doesn't seem close to comparable. please explain.

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TiltedX91 escribió:

Don't just say "its inefficient" when asked about catalyst and hrimburn... even your longer explanation doesn't elaborate...

Moonsorrow gives you 50% coversion at the cost of your offhand.
Hrimburn gives you 50% conversion at the cost of your gloves (although it still gives strength, small dmg, and a resist)

However... catalyst = 40% global crit, 130% inc. ele, and some leach.... how can a glove slot possibly be better than that?

sure, you get more lightning conversion from moonsorrow, but that still doesn't seem close to comparable. please explain.

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harierjr escribió:

is this build ok for beginner?

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ptoop84 escribió:

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harierjr escribió:

is this build ok for beginner?

no, the budget versions costs 50 ex xD

btw, its on YT bullshit list :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=qhpbTAljUdU

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iSo1iD escribió:

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TiltedX91 escribió:

Don't just say "its inefficient" when asked about catalyst and hrimburn... even your longer explanation doesn't elaborate...

Moonsorrow gives you 50% coversion at the cost of your offhand.
Hrimburn gives you 50% conversion at the cost of your gloves (although it still gives strength, small dmg, and a resist)

However... catalyst = 40% global crit, 130% inc. ele, and some leach.... how can a glove slot possibly be better than that?

sure, you get more lightning conversion from moonsorrow, but that still doesn't seem close to comparable. please explain.

I presume you are talking about Moonbender's Wing (not Moonsorrow) + Rare Spiked Gloves vs Hrimburn + Doryani's Catalyst. In the most ideal case, you want a Doryani's Catalyst with a corrupted implicit 10-20% of physical damage converted to cold damage (for maximum DPS). The PoB of the main Harbinger version already has them included in gear drop down for easy comparison as a lot of testing was done on both set-ups, if you are interested.

Against bosses likes Shaper/Guardians, not counting in shock at all, there is about a 9.85% difference in DPS, with the Hrimburn + Doryani's Catalyst setup taking the DPS lead. Said 9.85% DPS difference is not too noticeable, in my opinion, and the gap gets tightened a bit more when the smaller shock values come into play for those big bosses (Lightning conversion enables small shocks against these bigger bosses).

However, there is also one more factor to consider, which is that you can corrupt culling strike on your Moonbender's wing (the actual rolls of the axe do not matter), which is applied globally to all your attacks (something that cannot be done on Doryani's Catalyst). This consistent and easy culling strike gives all enemies 10% less effective HP (not factored into the DPS numbers on PoB), and resolutely closes any gap in DPS between both set-ups. Of course you can attach culling strike on another skill, but that will detract from the time to kill and wouldn't be as consistent, also not counting the potential loss in damage from loss of gem slots (the build already has very limited gem slots).

So with Moonbender's Wing, you have the 'POTENTIAL' to get more life and resists on your rare glove, whilst having basically the same DPS (more DPS potential overall when factoring in shock). Whereas with the Hrimburn & Doryani's Catalyst, you get more 'upfront damage numbers' (the leech bonus doesnt matter because we already leech more than enough with both set-ups). That is why the build author says the Moonbender set-up is considered 'more efficient and min-maxed'. Of course, you can stick to using Hrimburn + Doryani's Catalyst, if you prefer that type of set up.