[3.14] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, ✔️All Bosses Down, ✔️Necro, ✔️Elementalist

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DreamAwaken escribió:


Thanks :)

Srs nerf sure was coming, but its still very viable skill to use. Only endgame survivability on SRS is the problem.

Your tree is looking pretty good :)
[3.12] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, All Bosses Down, Necro, Elementalist
https://tinyurl.com/y8k9fa2f
Editado por útlima vez por mika2salo#7776 en 4 ago. 2017 7:01:53
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mika2salo escribió:
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DreamAwaken escribió:


Thanks :)

Srs nerf sure was coming, but its still very viable skill to use. Only endgame survivability on SRS is the problem.

Not sure if you are still using SRS as your main skill?

Your tree is looking pretty good, but there are some things to consider.
- You skipped upper minion damage area with 1% regen to minions
- You skipped left minion damage area with 1,5% regen to minions and 16% elemental resistances
- You skipped all mana reduction nodes

This will make using other minions than SRS very hard as they will have almost no regen. Even Golems need to cap elemental resistances and max regen, and if you die in fight your aura wont give them +20% elemental resistances anymore.

Is Essence Worm with Haste, worth it? Aura reduction nodes give also HUGE radius to curses and you are running 2x curses. I understand that your mana is your life, but your curse radius will be absolutely terrible without "Leadership" +50% area boost.


i dont use srs i use 4 flame 1 light golem, 1 anima, 1 might, 10 harmony so i dont think i need any minion regen and im elementalist too

the minion damage nodes add like nothing to dps acording to pob, jewel is nearly same dps.


just checked with pob the minion nodes add a bit more dps than a jewel and same points so it looks now like this thanks

https://poeplanner.com/AAkAAPsACSMAAHoc3Juhly0dFMAaUftZ848ahrNYB5Rv34q86mpDRnG18n1bGGo1klqRpwg64ffXm7Vuqij6g8yYrR8YhWDv61XGtz5mVNP7uJOqxITF7Io8LYMJ6QJ4DWqs0B8nL0WdvoAYPElPvYKsR0yziq8I9AQHVyua4DbpUUz60oUySsiwd6yYj0b-s70n_gqQEWaeTbkaOMy8cg86WM0Wg9ssnMDjJKrxs4NfGFaofW0ZkFVLV3vDPydvO-NqKk0s6W49YEPYvfnoU1JvnhZvykq8qoLHX7CmV03ja9s5UgDu8kVBh-vu_o_fbci_1AcTNdyNkPprehekAAAAAAA=

haste gives around the same dps like anger generosity and only 1 link in ring so, it also gives movespeed to minions.

also i wouldnt use controlled destruction with vic shield and necromantic aegis, elemental focus gem in flame golem gives more dps

yes i double curse with ball light
Editado por útlima vez por DreamAwaken#1853 en 4 ago. 2017 7:05:13
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DreamAwaken escribió:
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mika2salo escribió:
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DreamAwaken escribió:


Thanks :)

Srs nerf sure was coming, but its still very viable skill to use. Only endgame survivability on SRS is the problem.

Not sure if you are still using SRS as your main skill?

Your tree is looking pretty good, but there are some things to consider.
- You skipped upper minion damage area with 1% regen to minions
- You skipped left minion damage area with 1,5% regen to minions and 16% elemental resistances
- You skipped all mana reduction nodes

This will make using other minions than SRS very hard as they will have almost no regen. Even Golems need to cap elemental resistances and max regen, and if you die in fight your aura wont give them +20% elemental resistances anymore.

Is Essence Worm with Haste, worth it? Aura reduction nodes give also HUGE radius to curses and you are running 2x curses. I understand that your mana is your life, but your curse radius will be absolutely terrible without "Leadership" +50% area boost.


i dont use srs i use 4 flame 1 light golem, 1 anima, 1 might, 10 harmony so i dont think i need any minion regen and im elementalist too

the minion damage nodes add like nothing to dps acording to pob, jewel is nearly same dps.

haste gives around the same dps like anger generosity and only 1 link in ring so, it also gives movespeed to minions.

also i wouldnt use controlled destruction with vic shield and necromantic aegis, elemental focus gem in flame golem gives more dps


Just noticed you were Elementalist -_-

Yep, all looking pretty good :)

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also i wouldnt use controlled destruction with vic shield and necromantic aegis, elemental focus gem in flame golem gives more dps


Golems with charges actually ignite monsters very often. This is not that relevant on bosses, but in mapping the difference is huge. Golems often shoot enemy to low health, but then start to shoot next enemy. This will leave non-ignited enemy alive. With ignite all monsters burn to death, which speeds up clearing quite a bit.
[3.12] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, All Bosses Down, Necro, Elementalist
https://tinyurl.com/y8k9fa2f
Editado por útlima vez por mika2salo#7776 en 4 ago. 2017 7:05:26
yes but the ignite does like no damage

thr avg damage is still higher without controlled destruction

acording to pob i get per golem

controlled destruction
flame wave
66959 avg dmg with
total dps 298629
ignite dps 9726 (thats nothing)


elemental focus
71204 avg damage
total dps 317564

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DreamAwaken escribió:
yes but the ignite does like no damage

thr avg damage is still higher without controlled destruction

acording to pob i get per golem

controlled destruction
flame wave
66959 avg dmg with
total dps 298629
ignite dps 9726 (thats nothing)


elemental focus
71204 avg damage
total dps 317564



Stats sure look interesting. I will probably test elementalist with that tree in standard as I have level 90+ witch non-specced. Have to test how it feels to play :)

Can I ask for your items list?

I want to input pob what uniques / rares you are using.
[3.12] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, All Bosses Down, Necro, Elementalist
https://tinyurl.com/y8k9fa2f
Editado por útlima vez por mika2salo#7776 en 4 ago. 2017 7:30:38
clay shaper
victarios charity

all armour or armour evasion

helm with life res
armour the new cloak of defiance
boots life res movespeed
amulet citrine. life res mana reg minionspeed essence craft
ring essence worm with haste (for ele weakmap essence worm with purity of elements)
ring life res minionspeed mana reg
belt life res

and i dont need that much res so i can look for items with mana also maybe or dex craft

10x primal harmony, 1 prim might , 1 anima

6link
flame golem b
spell echo b
gmp g
minion damage b
elemntal focus b
emp 4/fire pen r

3link
Vaal haste g
flesh offering b
inc dura r

3link
shield charge r
f attacks g
fortify r

4link
ball light /arc b
curse on hit b
flamma b
ele resis -b

4link
cwdt r
immo call r
phase run g
inc dura r

4link
Convocation g
light golem b
clarity b
increased crit strikes b

ring essence worm
haste

not sure about the light golem with crit strikes, mainly for adding shock, or i add a vaal trap instead of critstrikes maybe

flasks granite,basalt,quicksilver, seeth divine, hallowed hybrid
Editado por útlima vez por DreamAwaken#1853 en 4 ago. 2017 7:42:27
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DreamAwaken escribió:
clay shaper
victarios charity

all armour or armour evasion

helm with life res
armour the new cloak of defiance
boots life res movespeed
amulet citrine. life res mana reg minionspeed essence craft
ring essence worm with haste (for ele weakmap essence worm with purity of elements)
ring life res minionspeed mana reg
belt life res

and i dont need that much res so i can look for items with mana also maybe or dex craft

10x primal harmony, 1 prim might , 1 anima

6link
flame golem b
spell echo b
gmp g
minion damage b
elemntal focus b
emp 4/fire pen r

3link
Vaal haste g
flesh offering b
inc dura r

3link
shield charge r
f attacks g
fortify r

4link
ball light /arc b
curse on hit b
flamma b
ele resis -b

4link
cwdt r
immo call r
phase run g
inc dura r

4link
Convocation g
light golem b
clarity b
increased crit strikes b

ring essence worm
haste

not sure about the light golem with crit strikes, mainly for adding shock, or i add a vaal trap instead of critstrikes maybe

flasks granite,basalt,quicksilver, seeth divine, hallowed hybrid


Fixed values in later post
[3.12] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, All Bosses Down, Necro, Elementalist
https://tinyurl.com/y8k9fa2f
Editado por útlima vez por mika2salo#7776 en 4 ago. 2017 10:32:33
can you link the pob paste? for both
Editado por útlima vez por DreamAwaken#1853 en 4 ago. 2017 9:50:46
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DreamAwaken escribió:
can you link the pob paste? for both


Sure :)

Your build is :
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I had to use your old skill tree as the new one has broken url. Please notice that I'm really new at using Pob, so there might be some mistakes.
[3.12] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, All Bosses Down, Necro, Elementalist
https://tinyurl.com/y8k9fa2f
Editado por útlima vez por mika2salo#7776 en 4 ago. 2017 10:22:32
looks ok, u can activate power and frenzy charges for minions, hit by lightning skill and disable the stone golem for both

and maybe shocked at mine vs bosses vaal light trap

and boot enchant life/mana reg

double roll for more life on items, not that hard to get

heres mine medicore items expect the life rolls, still too much resist

ur is more defensive mine is alot more boss damage + shield charge, mainly playing sc

https://pastebin.com/TTrDDsKA
Editado por útlima vez por DreamAwaken#1853 en 4 ago. 2017 10:25:47

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