[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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FrozenMindz escribió:
Hey enjoying this build so far as its my first real one but I just have a few questions:

1)which ascendancy class should I go using tornado shot (build 1)?

2)how does immortal call work? I have it linked to cwdt, inc duration, and summon ice golem and I don't really feel/see it working if you know what I mean (my ice golem does summon so I know that works).

Thanks so much.


Which Ascendancy you chose depends a bit on you. Pathfinder is probably the strongest, but requires you to spend a lot of time managing flasks (something I don't personally trust myself to do correctly). Raider would be the second strongest and has the advantage of being pretty much entirely passive.

Immortal Call has a big kaboom when it goes off, and you should see the big "oval-on-a-stick" religious symbol over your head, also a gold flash around you.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
Okay, so I'm at 82, and I'm approaching the end of my planned progression and I'm pondering what to do next. My primary attack is Ice Shot (hence the variation from the standard Neversink build). As a side note, I'm playing SSF, so my ability to radically alter my gear is limited.

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What I should probably do is take the two 5% life nodes (near Bravery and Golem's Blood) and the two 4% Life/8% EV nodes (near Revenge of the Hunted).

I could take Vaal Pact, and grab that Jewel socket node beyond that. Doing those would keep me busy up to 90, and is probably further than I'll get.


However, I am tempted by some of the alternatives.

I'd love to pick up Lethality (3 or 4 points). I'd love to pick up Forces of Nature (4 points). I also sort of like Winter Spirit (2 points).

Further down on my wish list would be Deadly Draw (4 points), Heart Seeker (3 points) and Cloth and Chain (2 points).

So, I'm curious as to what people think would give me the most bang for my remaining points.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
Hi there! Since it is my first bow character, I have a few questions.

1) Should I play lightning arrow or tornado shot? (following first build, looking for best clear speed, not bossing)

2) What should I replace in my gear to play with bisco? (without my current amulet my resistances are 50 fire, 65 cold, 64 lightning, gear below in spoiler)

3) Is dying sun flask big DPS boost if I'd replace wise oak or atziri's flask with it?

4) Stats, anything I could improve? (besides those resists, look at question 2)
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Now I have all resists capped, bought these boots
Editado por útlima vez por Rackham_#2653 en 8 nov. 2017 9:29:04
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Rackham_ escribió:
Hi there! Since it is my first bow character, I have a few questions.

1) Should I play lightning arrow or tornado shot? (following first build, looking for best clear speed, not bossing)

2) What should I replace in my gear to play with bisco? (without my current amulet my resistances are 50 fire, 65 cold, 64 lightning, gear below in spoiler)

3) Is dying sun flask big DPS boost if I'd replace wise oak or atziri's flask with it?

4) Stats, anything I could improve? (besides those resists, look at question 2)
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Sadly you got enchant on your boots, that'd help a ton with resists, gear looks in good shape, can bless the Two-Stone ring to 16%, i would probably replace the gloves for Gripped Glove with hp/res/aspd, or just get a few more levels and with a Jewel socket you can fit something like HP% + resists, should be pretty cheap.

As VP i tend not to run HP flasks, Dying Sun is great for damage with the extra projs, at least with Barrage, but i assume its the same with TS, i prefer LA + Barrage personally.
TS feels better only on breaches, or maybe if you have +2 TS enchant, +1 quiver etc, will be hella expensive, personal preference though.

Also it seems like you don't have anti-bleed flask, i would recommend rolling that on your Diamond Flask and then replace the life flask for Dying Sun, or roll anti-bleed on another Life Flask, and get anti-bleed on Diamond, Dying Sun will probably feel better than Wise Oak if you wanna keep the life flask.
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Phosphenez escribió:
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Rackham_ escribió:
Hi there! Since it is my first bow character, I have a few questions.

1) Should I play lightning arrow or tornado shot? (following first build, looking for best clear speed, not bossing)

2) What should I replace in my gear to play with bisco? (without my current amulet my resistances are 50 fire, 65 cold, 64 lightning, gear below in spoiler)

3) Is dying sun flask big DPS boost if I'd replace wise oak or atziri's flask with it?

4) Stats, anything I could improve? (besides those resists, look at question 2)
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Sadly you got enchant on your boots, that'd help a ton with resists, gear looks in good shape, can bless the Two-Stone ring to 16%, i would probably replace the gloves for Gripped Glove with hp/res/aspd, or just get a few more levels and with a Jewel socket you can fit something like HP% + resists, should be pretty cheap.

As VP i tend not to run HP flasks, Dying Sun is great for damage with the extra projs, at least with Barrage, but i assume its the same with TS, i prefer LA + Barrage personally.
TS feels better only on breaches, or maybe if you have +2 TS enchant, +1 quiver etc, will be hella expensive, personal preference though.

Also it seems like you don't have anti-bleed flask, i would recommend rolling that on your Diamond Flask and then replace the life flask for Dying Sun, or roll anti-bleed on another Life Flask, and get anti-bleed on Diamond, Dying Sun will probably feel better than Wise Oak if you wanna keep the life flask.


Just bought another pair of boots, that helped a bit with resists, all capped now. I can try with buying a ring that would cap all my res without amulet that gives +15 all res. I also forgot about jewels, they will definitely help a lot with getting 5k+ like and resists with bisco equipped. Seems like I want to keep my life flask, so I will just roll anti-bleed on diamond flask and leave them for now.

Do you recommend running TS or Lightning Arrow? Because I feel like second option is faster, but maybe I'm missing some TS mechanics.

Thanks a lot for your post!
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Just bought another pair of boots, that helped a bit with resists, all capped now. I can try with buying a ring that would cap all my res without amulet that gives +15 all res. I also forgot about jewels, they will definitely help a lot with getting 5k+ like and resists with bisco equipped. Seems like I want to keep my life flask, so I will just roll anti-bleed on diamond flask and leave them for now.

Do you recommend running TS or Lightning Arrow? Because I feel like second option is faster, but maybe I'm missing some TS mechanics.

Thanks a lot for your post!


To me the Lightning Arrow feels a lot better, it will require a weapon/chest swap for single-target though, Tornado Shot can be used both as clear skill and single-target, though i don't like it much, only time it feels better is for Breaches IMO. It might feel better if you have a lot of +projectiles.

Can always try a few different setups though, i played Lightning Arrow + Pierce, current bow toon is Ice Shot + Chain though, play around with Pierce/Chain/Fork and see what feels better to you :)

Your rings are really good, not sure if i'd replace them, you have good life/resists and int/str which helps a ton with gem/gear requirements, also the crafted phys, an upgrade will likely cost a lot.
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Phosphenez escribió:
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Just bought another pair of boots, that helped a bit with resists, all capped now. I can try with buying a ring that would cap all my res without amulet that gives +15 all res. I also forgot about jewels, they will definitely help a lot with getting 5k+ like and resists with bisco equipped. Seems like I want to keep my life flask, so I will just roll anti-bleed on diamond flask and leave them for now.

Do you recommend running TS or Lightning Arrow? Because I feel like second option is faster, but maybe I'm missing some TS mechanics.

Thanks a lot for your post!


To me the Lightning Arrow feels a lot better, it will require a weapon/chest swap for single-target though, Tornado Shot can be used both as clear skill and single-target, though i don't like it much, only time it feels better is for Breaches IMO. It might feel better if you have a lot of +projectiles.

Can always try a few different setups though, i played Lightning Arrow + Pierce, current bow toon is Ice Shot + Chain though, play around with Pierce/Chain/Fork and see what feels better to you :)

Your rings are really good, not sure if i'd replace them, you have good life/resists and int/str which helps a ton with gem/gear requirements, also the crafted phys, an upgrade will likely cost a lot.


I have 6L belly somewhere in my stash, not sure if colors are right (it's corrupted), but I can try to do single target swap with that piece, because Lightning Arrow is indeed really bad for single target.

Bought pair of gloves to swap my amulet to bisco, all resistances capped, requirements met, like 2k DPS lost, but it will make small difference in farming I guess.
Kind of hit a dead end here , having a hard time with bosses cant kill guardians or uber atziri or shaper i dont believe my gear is all that bad it just isnt enough

heres a path of building link , would appreciate any tips

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Anyone did Uber Atziri in this patch? I struggle very hard, but not on her or the trio, I cant do vaal vessel fight without 4-6 deaths and everytime it is because of the ball lightning attack. With maxed out resist, kaom, topaz flask and 55% spell dodge I simply die if this skill touches me and avoiding it completely looks to me often impossible. If there are two waves or vessel is at bottom/top I cant even blink past it because the blink distance is smaller than the radius where ball lighting can arc.

This is my first time playing the endgame so I obviously have l2p a lot still, but even shaper was easier for me. So my questions is if there is something more that I can do on this build, other than grinding it (running low on currency) for some lucky vaal vessel positions and attack rolls or getting help, to deal with this BS.
Hello there

I have great clearing fast enough for t15 abyss and esh and xoph domain, but when i get to the boss my damage are just too low without any means to get full frenzy

i managed to do abyss boss (Kaom) because the arena is large enough, some minions spawn so i can sustain my flasks .. but esh and xoph are just too aoe. i did put xoph to mid hp but with two portals left i surrendered (asked for a friend to kill it)

so question is

What can i do to improve my single target dmg ?

Thanks for helping

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