[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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moarhots escribió:

Was wondering if someone can help me out with how to move forward with my character. I'm level 91 character is dendi_nado. I was able to buy a great harbinger and I was lucky to get the enchant from uber labs onto my starkonjas for the double barrage. I feel kind of weak though, any suggestions to my character would be great :)

I'm 83 here and to be honest from the looks of it i feel like this build unless you min-max it is mediocre simply for the very fact that it can't do specific content of the game and is trying to avoid it like a plague, talking about Reflect.

I have died so many times while doing non-reflect maps, e.g. while clearing fast encountering a Rare mob with Reflect and dying in less than a sec because to be honest the build outputs a lot of damage and not even Immortal Call is enough to help it out. Those random deaths whose hits are not even from the mobs itself are the worst anticlimatic thing i have ever encountered in this game.

Unless the new version of the build - since this one is outdated right now - fixes somehow the issues it suffers i can not imagine it being an easy/healthy build to progress, only for min-max.

From my point of view Scion looks like a better Ranger than Ranger itself since Scion can spec into Elementalist and gain 50% Elemental Reflect Resistance, something which is rare as a stat.

Sorry to sound rude but you should learn a thing or two about itemization before throwing out such verdicts...

You are playing a life build in 2017 and are neglecting life rolls everywhere. A 5l chest with 90+ life takes like...4c to craft. Buying a belt is a joke as well. What about the gloves? Its not about minmaxing, just trying to get somewhere...
On top of that you are using Lioneye's Glare out of all bows and are complaining that the build is not reflect viable. Sure, if you stack all the reflect vulnerabilty in the game, it isnt.


TS said clearly enough that you should try to get life everywhere - to the point of picking Kaoms as BiS.

I don't agree with some of Neversinks choices either..but sometimes its hard to believe what's going on here. People (not just you but the majority here) are playing a T1 build with a possible T0 singletarget yet its too weak at killing bosses and not viable.


There is a thread of someone doing Shaper+ all Guardians with Qotf and Windripper. Without +2 barrage. And Windripper isnt exactly your go-to bosskiller bow.

I find no rudeness in such things, if someone believes he is right he should just express it because in the end its justified.I know what the chest is archaic since i have it from 2014 and i'm poor to 5/6 link anything proper, i got Queen of the Forest and i can't 5 link it with rng so i'm trying to farm the fuses to do it via the bench 100% . I can't imagine how much another ~60Lv Rare Chest would help because it would have +70 HP when i go 2.9k - 0 in a single second. I can't imagine how 70 HP from here and 80HP from there would help at all, the Reflect taken is like 5k - 5k since Tornado shot shoots many projectiles and you eat all that back. I don't feel like going from 2.9K to 3.4K (with good rolls in chest/jewels) would do much.

I got Lioneye's Glare because the guide itself recommends it and its super cheap (1c) for the stats it offers compared to a good roll Harbinger. I know its anticlimatic to focus on Evasion and have a bow which makes your shots non reflectable but for now i can't do much until i get a good Harbinger.

How would NS's gloves help me ? Of course his choice is superior compared to my cheap stuff which i got years ago but how would (according to the guide) Shadows and Dust help ? Like his says they offer no defensive options (in terms of HP) just more damage which at this point is the exact opposite of what we want since more damage dealt = more damage taken from reflects.

Kaom's sits on 3/4ex right now so yeah not for me yet if i had 3ex i would not have archaic gloves/chest in the first place. Plus doesn't Kaom's have downsides too ? To get that sweet 500HP you are sacrificing a 6 link slot and your biggest source of Evasion which is needed vs Phys dmg since we have no armor/we run Acrobatics, doesn't look like a direct upgrade to my eyes. So our main AoE skill (Tornado Shot) will be 6 linked and our 2nd/single target (Barrage i guess ?) will be forced to 4linking

Hence why in the end of the day i feel like its good if min-maxed or if you are rich enough from previous chars and can buy some expensive stuff (not all) to skip parts of progress and the growth pain.

I just saw Windripper, didn't knew about it and it looks nice for farming right ? I guess Herald of Ice/Thunder proc the Item Rarity/Quantity (?) I will search for the guide you talked about and wait for kompaniet's gems recommendation to go back from Elemental to Physical

Can someone help with how I can progress further? I'm currently just following build 1 of the guide and am struggling at yellow maps. I currently have 100c and would like to know the best investment. It's really hard to optimize and checking other builds, they seem to have easier times dealing with bosses while this one takes a lot of time. This is my first character so I'm still getting to know a lot about the mechanics of the game. Would it be better to go to a different build and save more chaos instead? or invest in this character for more clearing?

To everyone above commenting that this build seems to cap without massive investments, I feel your pain.

I'm 88 and clear all mobs in T12 maps with ease, but die or run out of portals fighting bosses - even after making significant changes to my build to run Kaom's Heart (5.3k hp, max res).

My rings/amulet aren't great but I'm running 5-link LE, Kaom's, Rat's Nest and have maxed resistances with 5.3k HP.

Relucant to spend an exalt on The Signal Fire at this point, because while I gain 30+% DPS, I don't even think that's going to be enough. I'm honestly not even sure if +50% or more DPS would be sufficient. With Kaom's, which seems like a requirement of this build, I can't use Barrage as a secondary for single-target.

Also worth mentioning that running Bisco's Collar with Kaom's seems out of reach without serious gear optimization. That's really unfortunate because 100% IQ is arguably BiS - I'd have to double my DPS to achieve the same result (i.e., clear 2x as fast) and I see no way to do it.

Wondering if I should just switch to the Doomfletch Prism build which apparently has no problems with end-game content and isn't very expensive.

Interested in your thoughts - my gear is public.

Hey guys, Im a newer player and the guide shows that Herald of Ice + Curse on hit works. So I have this item and links and as far as I know this should work but I'm not seeing it work. Im not seeing any Assassins Mark or Onslaught. Any advice?

^^^ ^^^ it should work men. Herald of ice has after effect of exploding the mob, wait for that and look at the mobs near the aoe of exploding ice that hit will curse and not the first hit.
Have fun men.

Totally loving this build so far :) The clear speed is insane and with the Unique Amulet, ring and Quiver I have equipped I don't even need a Mana flask and am gaining 50 HP per hit on top of instant leech from Vaal Pact :)

Atm I am running :

Ice Shot with PTL > EDWA and LMP

Barrage with Ice Bite > Maim and PTL (increased Freeze and Proc Frenzy)

Blast Rain with PPAD > Bleed Support > Power Charge on Crit

Hatred and Herald of Ice

Seige Ballista for clearing big packs/blocking choke points.

Mixing up my attacks means I am pretty much proccing Power Charges and Frenzy Charges all the time and with the amulet I mentioned above get 81% increased duration on my power charges.







Note you can actually craft the quiver at a Vendor with :

1× white Sharktooth Arrow Quiver
1× rare Onyx Amulet
1× Rain of Arrows gem with at least 1% quality
1× Orb of Chance

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muskart escribió:

To everyone above commenting that this build seems to cap without massive investments, I feel your pain.

I'm 88 and clear all mobs in T12 maps with ease, but die or run out of portals fighting bosses - even after making significant changes to my build to run Kaom's Heart (5.3k hp, max res).

My rings/amulet aren't great but I'm running 5-link LE, Kaom's, Rat's Nest and have maxed resistances with 5.3k HP.

Relucant to spend an exalt on The Signal Fire at this point, because while I gain 30+% DPS, I don't even think that's going to be enough. I'm honestly not even sure if +50% or more DPS would be sufficient. With Kaom's, which seems like a requirement of this build, I can't use Barrage as a secondary for single-target.

Also worth mentioning that running Bisco's Collar with Kaom's seems out of reach without serious gear optimization. That's really unfortunate because 100% IQ is arguably BiS - I'd have to double my DPS to achieve the same result (i.e., clear 2x as fast) and I see no way to do it.

Wondering if I should just switch to the Doomfletch Prism build which apparently has no problems with end-game content and isn't very expensive.

Interested in your thoughts - my gear is public.

Well, I am at 86, also running TS build. I do not go for Kaom's as that's just too expensive and feels stupid since I prefer actually having evasion instead of plate armor. I am at about 4.3k HP atm.

As for bosses, it does really take some time to shoot them down (I recall my Glacial Hammer build being 10x faster in this). I even tried 5-linked Barrage for that, but it doesn't help much unless you facetank it (many arrows will miss on bigger distance). But I do believe that having a 6-link Barrage with some gear optimization will work a lot better.
I suppose this is something we need to deal with as a price for super quick clear speed on anything else. After all, taking down those bosses isn't actually deadly, we can still handle it from fair distance.

Ad. Bisco's Collar - I was thinking the same. Even without Kaom, capping yourself is a big deal as we already wear too many legendaries. But I think it's viable if you go for rare quiver. Obviously you want to use this in yellow maps, not the the red ones.

Last note - I wonder if this full ele conversion thingy is really such a big deal? I did play archer before, the conversion was only 50% and we went for crit/multiplier. From what I recall, that one worked a whole lot better against bosses....

@phoenix

I didn't mean linking yourself. Buying a 5l white evasion base (1cat most) and using an essence of greed for guaranteed liferoll is far cheaper. With gloves I meant a rare pair with attackspeed, life and some res, not his suggestion. A rare life+res. belt. Maybe some better jewellery. The cheap part ends somewhere here but that's still a lot.
Lioneye's is a good bow, but you can't evade vs the reflect with it unless they changed something. That+ far shot can make things tricky. Haven't used it for a while - so you better ask other people in this thread about it.

Can someone help with how I can progress further? I think that i should use less uniques, even if my res are capped? i stop at T10 maps, but i die often and some of bosses are really hard to kill.

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muskart escribió:

To everyone above commenting that this build seems to cap without massive investments, I feel your pain.

I'm 88 and clear all mobs in T12 maps with ease, but die or run out of portals fighting bosses - even after making significant changes to my build to run Kaom's Heart (5.3k hp, max res).

My rings/amulet aren't great but I'm running 5-link LE, Kaom's, Rat's Nest and have maxed resistances with 5.3k HP.

Relucant to spend an exalt on The Signal Fire at this point, because while I gain 30+% DPS, I don't even think that's going to be enough. I'm honestly not even sure if +50% or more DPS would be sufficient. With Kaom's, which seems like a requirement of this build, I can't use Barrage as a secondary for single-target.

Also worth mentioning that running Bisco's Collar with Kaom's seems out of reach without serious gear optimization. That's really unfortunate because 100% IQ is arguably BiS - I'd have to double my DPS to achieve the same result (i.e., clear 2x as fast) and I see no way to do it.

Wondering if I should just switch to the Doomfletch Prism build which apparently has no problems with end-game content and isn't very expensive.

Interested in your thoughts - my gear is public.

Just a small warning to people readzing this - (idk about standard) - but doomfletch is much more expensive in temp league compared to this.
The difference is around 20-30% dmg with an almost identical tree. You feel those at shaper, possibly guardians but not really before this point.
You can use the weaponswap for barrage. Just get another bow+quiver.

- I feel you with bisco's. Regular mapping was nerfed for little reason..so it's sort of mandatory now..unless youre doing uberlab/ beachhead/guardians