Betrayal is the worst league mechanic of all time

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I_NO escribió:

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Chadwixx escribió:

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Anonymous1749704 escribió:

Best way to deal with Betrayal is to make a proper character though, and not having a 4k life Tabula wearing badass run around in maps :L

Hidden profile, LOL



Huge fps dips around these guys as well

4.3k hp

Let me rephrease

Four . three KAY hp what the fuck dude your made out of toilet paper

Its a dancing duo occulist with enfeeble, temp chain and despair (lots of reduced damage). I also have life and mana leech on my brands and blight totems (testing the gloves, was around 4500 hp).

The point of the screen shot was to show the fps dips when they spawn and attack.

So i need 5k+ hp with 2k+ mom mana to take a shot from these guys on a t11 red map with easy mods? This is mainly a clear char, i use other guy for bosses til i get better with the duo. Im sure you have made one

Dude you have no hp like it's not even funny temp chains enfeeble isn't going to do shit if your EHP sucks ass like your complaining about syndicate when you literally are made out of paper.

That isn't good dude.

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I_NO escribió:

Dude you have no hp like it's not even funny.

Aside from gloves and boots (need boots), where do i get more?

Also have 48% chaos, only bosses and syndicate kills me

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Chadwixx escribió:

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I_NO escribió:

Dude you have no hp like it's not even funny.

Aside from gloves and boots (need boots), where do i get more?

Also have 48% chaos, only bosses and syndicate kills me

Abyss belt+abyss jewel in it?
More abyss jewels in your tree?
With 40+ life each on.

But occultist on life is somth weird kind of build..
whyyyyyy

Do you really think 4.3k hp is enough when a big hit or a burst of multiple hits gets through? I'm running TC/Enfeeble on Blasphemy and getting chunked 4k in one hit isn't even that rare...

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GrumpyMcElbows escribió:

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Anonymous1749704 escribió:

Best way to deal with Betrayal is to make a proper character though, and not having a 4k life Tabula wearing badass run around in maps :L

I have 6k life, 1.3k es, 1.3k mana with MoM, ele weak capped, Grace, and a ring that gives me 20% increased effect of Grace. Is that going to prevent invisible Syndicate members from attacking me? Is that going to prevent invisible attacks from visible Syndicate members? Or invisible ground effects? Is it going to reduce the visual clutter -- the absurd amount of shit that GGG keeps smearing on my screen -- preventing me from seeing what the hell is going on? It certainly didn't prevent a white archer from one-shotting me on a t9 map. My character build didn't prevent Research from appearing in the game for 70+ levels. It didn't keep the boss fight from resetting my entire Syndicate board making me not want to run the boss fight ever again. It doesn't stop inaccessible Syndicate encounters from appearing off maps. It didn't stop Fortification from crashing my game in Primordial Blocks until I ran out of portals, wasting a t15 map.

Jesus fucking Christ, how does my build affect any of this?! Syndicate members one-shotting players through adequate defenses is just a tiny sliver of the problems with Betrayal. It was a shit design from the ground up and implemented even worse.

I have no idea what you mean by "invisible Syndicate members". Haven't met one of those entire league.

I agree that there is too much visual clutter, but that said, if you can't see ground effects then it was your choice to play whatever build prevents you from seeing those. I can see them just fine.

When you claim some absurd shit like '6k life, 1.3k es, 1.3k mana with mom' getting 1-shot by a "white archer in t9 map", you really should have some recorded evidence. Why do you even think I'd take your word for that when that happening is either completely impossible or the map had multiple damage mods stacked on top of each other?

Rest of the post can be summarized as "I don't like it so it sucks". The fact that forts STILL spawn outside the map should be blamed on GGG for not giving enough shits to fix the league content, rather than the content itself.

No, I don't like Betrayal *because* it sucks.

Fine. Ignore everything I mentioned. Ignore the bugs and the crashes and the smoke and the lasers and the ground effects and the clusterfuck of mobs and Syndicate members and their attacks (if you can see them). Like I said, one-shots through adequate (or inadequate) defenses is just a tiny sliver of the problems with the league. Betrayal is just a limited, poorly designed shitshow of multi-layered rng.

You want research and intervention the most, but they're the seemingly rare encounters. You want specific members to appear in specific branches, but they're not guaranteed to show up during their own branch's encounter. You need allies and rivalries, but those options are random. If you want to move a syndicate member, it's random for them to show up and it's random to get the correct option to move them. Which means you need to run an excess of encounters to guarantee moving the right Syndicate member to the right encounter. When defeating a Syndicate member, since there are only two options, your choices are sometimes both bad. For example, after defeating Cameria, I can imprison him and he'll lose a level, or I can completely remove him from the Syndicate. Or move him to a branch I don't want. Or remove all rivalries. Or a half-dozen other options I would never want to choose. Which means I again need to run an excess of encounters. If I get three members who are max rank, I can kill two of them with no effect; or I can imprison all of them; or sometimes I can remove all ranks from one of them; or I can make one a captain, sometimes replacing the captain I want; or any number of other options I wouldn't pick. Which means I again, for the third time, need to run an excess of encounters. Which puts me right back at the rng of getting the right encounter and the right syndicate members. After sufficient encounters, I could block specific ones by not running their respective safehouses, but that's . . . What kind of league mechanic makes it better to *not* interact with certain aspects of the mechanic? On top of that, it's far better to speed run low-tier Syndicate encounters than to run them in mid- or high-tier maps. On top of *that*, completing the Master's safehouse completely resets Syndicate progress. Which means your incentive is to *not* run the Master at all. It's better for Syndicate progress to not progress to the final boss of the league mechanic!

Again, NONE of these problems have anything to do with the player character or the bugs or the visual clutter. This is strictly how the league was designed.

If it's better to not fight the Master; if it's better to not run half the safehouses; after an encounter, if there's a good chance I wouldn't want to pick either one of two options, wasting that encounter; if it's better to just run encounters at a trivial level -- if my incentive is to not engage with the *majority* of the league's content, why am I playing this league at all?

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Chadwixx escribió:

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Anonymous1749704 escribió:

Best way to deal with Betrayal is to make a proper character though, and not having a 4k life Tabula wearing badass run around in maps :L

Hidden profile, LOL



Huge fps dips around these guys as well

4k hp
stupid jar- summon build
never slammed my head with my palm so hard before...
no wonter its the worst, and by it i am talking about your builds. league is fine.

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John_Ra escribió:

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Chadwixx escribió:

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I_NO escribió:

Dude you have no hp like it's not even funny.

Aside from gloves and boots (need boots), where do i get more?

Also have 48% chaos, only bosses and syndicate kills me

Abyss belt+abyss jewel in it?

Have to have reduced flask charge on belt (18+ to get 3 uses out of flasks, need 15 for bosses that phase), it gets very expensive on abyss belts.

That char is only a few days old, tried to make it last league in ssf but never got propehcy for sword upgrade. Its very fun but im lacking life like you guys said.

I may get some commander of the pit gloves, drop a curse from boots and use the crab aura on chest.

Mrsdeath simmer down, some like to have fun with builds. I can kill shaper and elder on my other char, not everyone follows the guide and repeats the steps.

Edit, grabbed these, 4800hp now.

Just ignore I_NO and MrsDeath_, no-lifers with groups to carry them and no useful advice to share anyway.

My enjoyment of Betrayal league, and survival rate of syndicate encounters, went significantly up when I created a build that can ignore certain dangerous aspects of the counters and severely cripple the rest--CI Occultist with cod-dot skills. I'm immune to chaos--huge boost in survivability--and I slow them to a crawl just by chilling them with my spells. If I use temporal chains (TC) and switch my Rime Gaze helmet to one with 30% increased effect of TC, they would barely move from the spot they spawn in.

I also enjoy and reap a lot more benefits from Syndicates by running the bridge area in Act 8 over and over again. You can get hundred encounters in an hour + you will be able to farm Vaal side areas as well. This method is mind-numbing but very effective. You can setup your safehouses there very easily and quickly--once this is done you can go back to maps and do this properly if you wish or you stay there and do it again and again realizing scarabs do not give a shit what level safehouse is.

So yes, trivialize the content, ie. kill it before it touches you, is the way to enjoy the content. Syndicate members, at least some, are still overtuned. Their visual clutter is absolutely horrible and the amount of negative status effects and ground effects these encounter spawn is equally bad. Worst of all, GGG dropped a ball on this league as they seem to be stretched to their limits--it takes them unusually long to fix some major bugs released with the league, we are now nearly at the end of 2nd month of the league and there are still major bugs waiting for fix.

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Baron01 escribió:

Just ignore I_NO and MrsDeath_, no-lifers with groups to carry them and no useful advice to share anyway.

nice advice.
ignore the experienced people.

btw i play ssf. mostly.