[3.16] Konsta's Champion Double Strike Starter - Good DPS, good defenses. Starter.

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konstaonkuningas escribió:

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guardianXXXIII escribió:

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Hey Konsta, just wanted to tell you thanks for the build! I benched my Molten Strike Jugg and started this guy over the weekend... Wow, the difference is night and day. I was starting to get frustrated with my jugg.. still getting random 1-shot despite having very tanky stats and over 12ex of gear, and still taking a long time to kill bosses (more time for them to 1-shot). Seeing your videos on youtube was like "wow, i didn't even know you could kill bosses that fast...". And to top it all off, the gear in your build is DIRT cheap for the entry level.

So i rolled this guy up and he's decimating everything. Just made it to maps and i'm still zipping through like a suped-up flicker strike build. quicksilver of adrenaline + whirling blades + bleed explosions + BOTB extra gore = Everything exploding in bloody messes while i zoom through the map.

A lot of metamorphs die before i can even see them take form. Map bosses vaporize. Very refreshing change of pace, especially since i've died only 3 times (2 were my mistakes 1 was a glitch), never feeling like "wow how did i die?" unlike on my Jugg.

I'm still using several pieces of leveling gear as well. My HP and resistances are crap still, but so far it hasn't mattered so i haven't taken the time to start upgrading/crafting those slots.


Question for you on some of the build:

Double-strike helmet: About how many fossils do you think it would take to get a decent 9% phys dmg helmet? Also, do you think the 15% enchant is worth paying for over the 10% ? It looks like a base with 10% enchant starts around 50ish chaos, including armor bases. 15% enchant starts around 1.5ex and only on energy shield bases. To get an armor base it's like 3+ex. Should i even care if it's an armor/ev base?


Frenzy vs. Endurance crafts:
In the initial post you mention you think in hindsight that Endurance charges would be best, but in some more recent replies in the thread you mention Frenzy being better as more dps = less time to get hit = better defense. Wondering which way you feel is the best as it is now?


Glove slot:
With all of the new Conqueror mods, do you still think Tombfists are the way to go? Or is that only if you manage to get a pair w/ the Vunerability curse? Looking at the current league, i don't see any of these for sale, offline included. I do see some very cheap +1 max frenzy charges and Enfeeble on hit corruptions though... Which of those would you choose? Enfeeble sounds nice for a good defensive boost.


Banner and stance mechanics:
I'm new to banners. Do you plant your banner on boss fights or just use it for it's passive effect? For stance, do you always stay in blood stance?

Glad that you like the build!

Double-strike helmet: Not many fossils needed for crafting. I would consider myself unlucky, if I had nothing after 5 tries with pristine/jagged combo. Normally something like ~15 tries to have a good helmet. For the enchant, that totally depends on how much you want to min-max. Good question to ask yourself is that if you buy the 10% 50c helmet, what you will be getting for the rest of the money? Is it more than the 5% damage increase the 15% helmet would have?

Frenzy vs. Endurance crafts: I changed my opinion of this several times. My -hopefully- final opinion is that when the gear is min-maxed, endurance charges are better since you will be anyhow able to kill anything fast enough. However, when starting the frenzies might be better to bump the damage to decent level.

Glove slot: Tombfist mainly because it is rather decent unique, and the vulnerability curse is common. There are actually many for sale at around 1ex/pair: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Metamorph/8W0GqSV


Banner and stance mechanics: I'm too lazy to place the banner. I'm just using it for impalce chance. For the stance, use sand for mapping and blood for bossing. It's only one button press.

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guardianXXXIII escribió:

Once i got Tribal Fury on my amulet, this guy went to a whole new level. Map clear and metamorphs are smooth as butter. Just about everything pops the instant i whirling near them. I managed to level up to 91 and farm a good deal of currency over the weekend. Sitting at around 10ex right now. I'm looking to start upgrading further with my profits... Here are the issues i'm running into now:

I'm starting to hit a wall with some map bosses (summit boss 1 shots me consistently) and the harder bosses like Elder guardians or special bosses like Carcass or Core bosses. Basically all the bosses i can't just insta-nuke within the double Vaal DS clones time period. Especially once i start juicing a little bit. 4 prime sextants w/ the basic players/monsters take x% more damage on AL5-6. I get a lot of random rips while mapping too if i happen to run across some ranged monsters that freeze. Basically anything that has periods of time where you aren't just standing their killing them, i'm very very prone to being 1 shot.

I always reroll maps that have extra crit dmg + extra damage, no leech, phys reflect. So my quant is usually between 50-75% on the map, so only moderately juiced with AL6 and the 4 prime sextants.


Getting to level 95 will be a big help as i'll get the last couple life nodes + the notable w/ armor, %max hp, and flat hp. I gotta get there though, which i lost 60% of my EXP bar back to 0 last night lol. Summit boss really ripped my ass (had to get my molten strike jugg to finish him on the last portal).


In your opinion, what should i upgrade?

- I'm looking at a rare claw first. Do you think the elder mod w/ ~35% chance to steal rare monsters' mods is worth getting? Or just 400+ pdps + crit + 1.8+ APS as a main focus?

- Would a rare chest w/ 100+ life and +%max HP be better than BotB for survival?
- My boots are outdated; can squeeze out a little more life and resists.. and definitely putting "cannot be frozen" on them, as that's one of the biggest dangers i can't avoid reliably unless i am permaflasking.

Not sure what else to look at to push further.

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konstaonkuningas escribió:

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guardianXXXIII escribió:

Once i got Tribal Fury on my amulet, this guy went to a whole new level. Map clear and metamorphs are smooth as butter. Just about everything pops the instant i whirling near them. I managed to level up to 91 and farm a good deal of currency over the weekend. Sitting at around 10ex right now. I'm looking to start upgrading further with my profits... Here are the issues i'm running into now:

I'm starting to hit a wall with some map bosses (summit boss 1 shots me consistently) and the harder bosses like Elder guardians or special bosses like Carcass or Core bosses. Basically all the bosses i can't just insta-nuke within the double Vaal DS clones time period. Especially once i start juicing a little bit. 4 prime sextants w/ the basic players/monsters take x% more damage on AL5-6. I get a lot of random rips while mapping too if i happen to run across some ranged monsters that freeze. Basically anything that has periods of time where you aren't just standing their killing them, i'm very very prone to being 1 shot.

I always reroll maps that have extra crit dmg + extra damage, no leech, phys reflect. So my quant is usually between 50-75% on the map, so only moderately juiced with AL6 and the 4 prime sextants.


Getting to level 95 will be a big help as i'll get the last couple life nodes + the notable w/ armor, %max hp, and flat hp. I gotta get there though, which i lost 60% of my EXP bar back to 0 last night lol. Summit boss really ripped my ass (had to get my molten strike jugg to finish him on the last portal).


In your opinion, what should i upgrade?

- I'm looking at a rare claw first. Do you think the elder mod w/ ~35% chance to steal rare monsters' mods is worth getting? Or just 400+ pdps + crit + 1.8+ APS as a main focus?

- Would a rare chest w/ 100+ life and +%max HP be better than BotB for survival?
- My boots are outdated; can squeeze out a little more life and resists.. and definitely putting "cannot be frozen" on them, as that's one of the biggest dangers i can't avoid reliably unless i am permaflasking.

Not sure what else to look at to push further.

Hi, I took a look on your char on POB and following basic points:
-It seems that you are missing two passive points (4 if you killed all bandits). These are probably from quests. Type /passives to show what is missing
-Use these points to path to "constitution" - you end up with 5.767k life
-Look to upgrade your amulet. It has very low life roll. Getting Life roll of ~70 will boost your life to 5.9k
-For the chest, best option would be elder or hunter chest with very high flat+%-life rolls and +attack crit. However the attack crit is for sure not mandatory at any level. In terms of defences, belly is for you roughly at similar level so no need to change immediatly
-Remove the 3 nodes from "depth perception". You have very good accuracy already, and these 3 points give you only under 5% of more damage.
-Use 1 point of these to "attack speed and accuracy" (second starting node for Duelist) to offset the lost damage. This gives you ~4% more damage, almost completely mitigating the damage lost.
-Use the 2 remaining points to take life nodes. You should now be at around 6.1k life with all the changes
-For even additional layer of defences, replace sulphur flask with Rumi's. This will give you 35% of attack block in total. The damage and shock immunity from your sulphur are not that important


Regarding freezing, I did not have any particular problems. You do have freeze immunity flask which should in general solve any problems regarding this. If you have problems with flask management (flask empty often) - roll another frezing immunity to replace sulphur current affixes.

For boots your current ones are fine. If you want to min-max the damage, look for tailwind on crit. Another option for even more thickness would be to replace these with Kaom's roots - however this means that you'll be needing to fulfill the resists with rings + amu. Hope this helps!

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Slayerized escribió:

This build is very fun to play (as a new player), although it hits the wall on 14+ maps where you just die all the time.

Some tips from my 20+ deaths so far at lvl 91:

* you really want 6k life asap, the game seems to be balanced around 6k life for melee builds and anything less than that means you'll just die too much.

* get Kaom's Roots. You really don't want to be stunned/frozen/chilled. With good + flat life / +% life / treble resist armor, you'll have more life and only slightly less resists than BOTB with 110life/120 resist boots, for a similar price.

* even with Kaom's, don't kill strongboxes yourself because of the explosion. Just pop 2 boys and dash away letting them do the job.

* your best maps are wide open spaces. Anything crammed, with lots of corridors, etc. is bad. You want mobility to outmaneuver packs of ranged mobs.

* maps with twin bosses are bad if you can't hit them both at the time.

* so are maps with -max resistances or elemental weakness as with so few gear slots dedicated for resists, you'll not be overcapped by a lot.

* if you're using Abyssus, you definitely need endurance charges on all the time, esp. on maps with vulnerability

Where this build shines is taking down big guys within a couple of seconds (maybe more for Warlord). On the other hand, bosses with multiple phases are a pain as you need to carefully manage your resources and more likely to die the longer the fight.