How about nerfing CI Molten Strike occultist since they own delve?

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ThePesmergia escribió:

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You don't exactly balence the game around Delve

Nothing different in delve than anywhere else in the game. Delve is some of the hardest scaling content.

CI MS Occultist is strong because of damage avoidance stacking mechanics. Not because "elite people" are playing it.

But the hard scaling IS exactly what makes Delve so different from the rest of the game, is it not? You need way better defenses for Delve than for anything else afaik.

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HerrImHimmel escribió:

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ThePesmergia escribió:

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You don't exactly balence the game around Delve

Nothing different in delve than anywhere else in the game. Delve is some of the hardest scaling content.

CI MS Occultist is strong because of damage avoidance stacking mechanics. Not because "elite people" are playing it.

But the hard scaling IS exactly what makes Delve so different from the rest of the game, is it not? You need way better defenses for Delve than for anything else afaik.

And 1 spec is dominating delve. What's your point? It still needs balanced. And poe.ninja proves it.

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds?mindepth=1000&sort=depth

1 spec has a 600+ depth advantage. It isn't rocket science. But it's cute to watch the trolls come out to defend it.

They aren't going to balence around Delve guy stop it.

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I_NO escribió:

They aren't going to balence around Delve guy stop it.

You don't want them to balance the hardest content for all classes?

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Shagsbeard escribió:

The "pay attention to ME!" is strong with this one.

Says this as he posts replies comprised of mostly 1-liners made of anti-OP unless it's I_NOP where he thing can't stop agreeing...

...how unaware can you be, Shags. 🙄

My point is that you stated Delve being nothing different from the rest of the game. And in the next sentence you state the thing that differentiates Delve from everything else in the game.

Delve needs good defenses and Occultist provides good ES-based defenses in an ES league. Pretty sure you can still delve deep with MS Juggernaut aswell, but its ES meta rn.

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HerrImHimmel escribió:

My point is that you stated Delve being nothing different from the rest of the game. And in the next sentence you state the thing that differentiates Delve from everything else in the game.

Delve needs good defenses and Occultist provides good ES-based defenses in an ES league. Pretty sure you can still delve deep with MS Juggernaut aswell, but its ES meta rn.

So you want 1 part of the game balanced, yet not the other? It doesn't matter if it's different, albeit slightly. My point was you kill stuff, just like other parts of the game, and you take damage.

There's nothing different about delve combat mechanics, than other game area combat mechanics (except boss fights). The only difference is delve scales harder.

Hell, delve IS essentially mapping, but in a different area..

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HerrImHimmel escribió:

My point is that you stated Delve being nothing different from the rest of the game. And in the next sentence you state the thing that differentiates Delve from everything else in the game.

Delve needs good defenses and Occultist provides good ES-based defenses in an ES league. Pretty sure you can still delve deep with MS Juggernaut aswell, but its ES meta rn.

And, as has already been mentioned, they're about to take a big hit to those defenses in Delve with the IC changes. Negating abuse of Soul of Arakaali pantheon is a pretty big deal for them.

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aggromagnet escribió:

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HerrImHimmel escribió:

My point is that you stated Delve being nothing different from the rest of the game. And in the next sentence you state the thing that differentiates Delve from everything else in the game.

Delve needs good defenses and Occultist provides good ES-based defenses in an ES league. Pretty sure you can still delve deep with MS Juggernaut aswell, but its ES meta rn.

And, as has already been mentioned, they're about to take a big hit to those defenses in Delve with the IC changes. Negating abuse of Soul of Arakaali pantheon is a pretty big deal for them.

I know. Im fine with that. Immunities shouldnt be a thing. I played a CI MS Occultist and it feels very cheesy. I also didnt say that i dont want them to balance Delve. Im also fine with them nerfing Occultist, if they so please, its pretty strong.

My only point is, that you want to have a go to ascendancy when it comes to defensive buffs for ES. Occultist is that ascendecy for me.
Delve needs the best defenses, therefore you want an ascendancy that gives defenses. If you play ES, you pick Occultist. Its only reasonable that you would pick Occultist, if you want defenses on an ES build. Thats a "working as intended" for me.
Now, being able to get insane DPS with MS' stupid 100 scalable aspects, plus CI + Arakaali cheese, while also having 12k ES, with possible Endu charges, and reduced Ele damage taken, makes for a potentially op combo i guess.
But i rather see the "problem" in Molten Strike offering you tons of damage no matter what you build, CI giving Immunity and the generally higher EHP pool and thus tankiness of ES over Life. So while i can accept or even welcome nerfs to Occultist, i dont think its the main issue to the onesided Delve distribution on terms of Ascendancies.

I'm pretty sure curses also made it OP. It isn't just about CI. It's the way you can stack damage avoidance with curses such as enfeeble and temporal chains, block, dodge, evasion.

But other than that, I agree with your post Herr. Since they nerfed ES regen, it's probably fine now. So I have no complaints anymore.