[2.6] Explosive Arrow Pathfinder W/Videos -HC Endgame Mapping, Grandmasters, T16 Guardian Guides

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Inkaflare escribió:

I actually just ran some quick calculations for this.
Assuming lv21 gems (lv4 in Empower's case), Slower projectiles still wins, which is great because it's cheaper.
Empower 4 is 39.76% more damage on Explosive Arrow, while Slower Projectiles is 30% more projectile damage. However, the difference is that Empower only increases the initial Explosive Arrow damage, while Slower projectiles double dips on the ignite, which ends up being 69% more damage in total (initial hit + ignite).

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JoopO escribió:

Noob question here: when to use + arrow rearguard vs. fire damage leeched as life. Which is for general clear vs. single target? Thx!

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iwonderwice escribió:

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JoopO escribió:

Noob question here: when to use + arrow rearguard vs. fire damage leeched as life. Which is for general clear vs. single target? Thx!

Leech for clearing - +1 for bosses. Thats what I am using(dont have any leech on gear, just regen and doing fine - I am witch so far). These 0.2% wont help u much vs bosses, but +1 arrow helps by a lot. Much ezier to hit.

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Inkaflare escribió:

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sarahschneider escribió:

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Inkaflare escribió:

I actually just ran some quick calculations for this.
Assuming lv21 gems (lv4 in Empower's case), Slower projectiles still wins, which is great because it's cheaper.
Empower 4 is 39.76% more damage on Explosive Arrow, while Slower Projectiles is 30% more projectile damage. However, the difference is that Empower only increases the initial Explosive Arrow damage, while Slower projectiles double dips on the ignite, which ends up being 69% more damage in total (initial hit + ignite).

Just wanna clarify something, I know that the explosion is a Secondary damage type; but isn't the ignite damage still gets derived from that same explosion and not the initial hit? Which if that's the case, benefited from the higher gem rank due to higher damage per fuse hence the double dipping applies either way?

When I said "initial Explosive Arrow damage" I was actually referring to the explosion (the arrow's impact damage is basically 0). Thus you are right that Empower increases the explosion's damage, which is what I was referring to which is increased by 39.76%. The ignite scales off this damage, as you said. This means that in total you will deal 39.75% more damage, as both the explosion and ignite are increased by that amount. This is NOT double dipping though. It's simply the ignite being bigger because the initial hit was bigger. The 39.75% are not applied twice.
The double dipping comes in with Slower Projectiles: it increases the explosion damage by 30% (as the explosion is scaled with projectile damage), which in turn means the ignite deals 30% more damage as well being based on the explosion. However, the ignite damage is now again icnreased by 30% because projectile damage double dips.
This means that the ignite is increased by 30% because the initial hit was bigger and another multiplicative 30% because proectile damage double dips and applies again to the ignite.

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Andizlack escribió:

Concerning leech, I decided to play with a Doryani's:

I also don't want to run a second off-hand setup if I can help it and after playing with a bunch of different options actually think this belt works very well in this build. I'm surprised I hadn't seen it mentioned, maybe I missed it. Anyroad, I do lose about 410 hp when taking off my rare, but this belt gives a great damage boost, leech, and that extra bump to ignite chance makes it very close to 100%. I also find that with the extreme mobility, and ~80% armor that I have with my basalt and rumi's up, that the 400hp becomes kind of negligible (speaking from a current SC player of course).

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iwonderwice escribió:

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JoopO escribió:

Noob question here: when to use + arrow rearguard vs. fire damage leeched as life. Which is for general clear vs. single target? Thx!

Leech for clearing - +1 for bosses. Thats what I am using(dont have any leech on gear, just regen and doing fine - I am witch so far). These 0.2% wont help u much vs bosses, but +1 arrow helps by a lot. Much ezier to hit.

Edit: I'm glad I took the time to post this. I actually think the main clearing link could get away without a chance to ignite gem. Taking out the gem would put you at 55% IIRC while using a flask with the ascendancies and 20% EA. And if you've gotten into the habit of decoy toteming against a wall and spaming the GMP setup at the wall on bosses like I have, then ignite chance becomes less of an issue (a non-issue completely if the boss can even be ignited). This would free up another slot that you could use for more sweet sweet double dipping. Maybe

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iwonderwice escribió:

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theorangeshield escribió:

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Inkaflare escribió:

-The additional arrow corruption is very useful. If you have it and Dying Sun (gets an additional projectile with %Flask effect) you get 5 arrows without GMP, which means that you can drop the AoE clear setup completely and use your single target setup for clear as well.
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That sounds amazing. Dying Sun might be my next purchase.

Anyone here using this setup this league yet? Do you just not weapon swap at all then?

and die to reflect creep ;)

good call mate.
Btw - anytime u r able to get emp lvl 4 - use it instead of slowerproj. lvl 4 emp got better multiplier

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subiedude8 escribió:

After looking at some of the gear on thread participants, I am beginning to wonder if this build requires accuracy? For example, the guy posting above me has no accuracy pieces, and I checked the "Gear in Essence" part of the OP, and he has one accuracy piece. I have 3 pieces with accuracy, and I believe I have around 88% hit.