[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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jeffarese escribió:
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Well I got lvl 79 with this "build" somehow and must say that playing it is just a misery, I'm sorry for spending time on it, never played such unbalanced and squishy build before. Will recommend it to noone for sure. This thread has more than 900 pages and ts cant even update it normally with pictures and video clips. And as it was written previously skill tree is just a disaster. Dislike for sure. The only fact it became so popular is because of the filter, i dont have any other ideas


I feel the same way... It's sad because I'm new to the game and I wanted a solid build, but this feels rushed and inconsistent. I'm level 74 but I already feel the problems that I hadn't felt before with other builds, for example PewPewPew Firestorm.
I don't recommend this guide for anyone. I only followed this build because of the "fame" of NeverSink because of the Loot filter. I suppose that was stupid by my part.


Well, honestly, TS/LA-barrage builds are rather expensive and not that easy to level with. With the Boss HP changes, the single target is a bit of a problem (with really bad gear). However there are ways around that (knowing when to buy certain items, not focusing too much on boss killing). The AoE-clear should be fine even with a basic 5l.

There are probably better builds, if you cap the total investment at 1ex or so - but those don't offer the infinite scaling potential TS/barrage does.

Considering the guide..I don't agree with a LOT of item suggestions (Helmet, Gloves, Bow) and am not sure about the skill tree either. Starkonja's or a rare helmet with 90+ life and +1 barrage enchant are way better than Rat's nest for survivability. Same for gripped gloves / thunderfist vs maligaro's. Nothing new, really...
I'd suggest, you take a quick look at some other bow guides and pick the best package.

As for me, I've taken the lazy route with a "traditional" leaguestarter. Got some of the items I need for the switch/releveling, still missing the helm enchant + a second bow though (+ Kaom's but Kaom's can wait for now).
Editado por útlima vez por juerk#7020 en 10 ago. 2017 6:58:22
It s probably a dumb question ^^
But could TS go for the BUILD 2 ( ELE-EYE/ELE-ASS LA/BARRAGE SCION) instead of lightning arrow ?

Thx
The thing people seem to not understand is that there is a Huge message at the beginning stating that the guide is being updated. The League hasnt even been out for 2 weeks yet and everyone is going nuts over this. Neversink has a life and also plays this game as well. As for survivability, There's a post that even stats "Focus on defense". If you're going for balls out damage over your hp/res, no crap you're gonna get one shot. You're a BOW character. You shouldnt be facetanking anything. And the build is built around being mobile. We have CWDT/Eva/Acrobatics for those moment when we cant escape. The layered defense is a last resort. Your PLAYSTYLE is the first. I'm 83 now as the scion and I can say with complete certainty that I only die when "I" do something stupid. The build also states that you can ADAPT it. Need more HP? Take more nodes. If you have to choose between that 400dps bow that keeps you at 4k hp or gear that caps your res and throws you over 6k....Choose the damn gear. A dead DPS does no DPS. Bosses are stronger as well. They got hp buffed so this build isn't going to kill bosses as fast as it used to. And that's the same for ALL builds until you start dumping tons of EX into it. It's over 900 posts and 850+ are complaining/asking questions that have been answered into the ground.

/rant
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UncleZebuuu escribió:
It s probably a dumb question ^^
But could TS go for the BUILD 2 ( ELE-EYE/ELE-ASS LA/BARRAGE SCION) instead of lightning arrow ?

Thx


I'm running it like that now with phys/light and signal fire. Works well. Little less aoe dps since it only pierces once atm, but i can freefire kill rares a lot faster.
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Colanth escribió:
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UncleZebuuu escribió:
It s probably a dumb question ^^
But could TS go for the BUILD 2 ( ELE-EYE/ELE-ASS LA/BARRAGE SCION) instead of lightning arrow ?

Thx


I'm running it like that now with phys/light and signal fire. Works well. Little less aoe dps since it only pierces once atm, but i can freefire kill rares a lot faster.


Thx will try it then
Was thinking about the signal fire too
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UncleZebuuu escribió:
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Colanth escribió:
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UncleZebuuu escribió:
It s probably a dumb question ^^
But could TS go for the BUILD 2 ( ELE-EYE/ELE-ASS LA/BARRAGE SCION) instead of lightning arrow ?

Thx


I'm running it like that now with phys/light and signal fire. Works well. Little less aoe dps since it only pierces once atm, but i can freefire kill rares a lot faster.


Thx will try it then
Was thinking about the signal fire too


The signal fire is what makes it full conversion for TS. That + Elementalist Ascendency makes us pretty much immune to reflect, which is Amaaazzziiinnnggg
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Colanth escribió:
The thing people seem to not understand is that there is a Huge message at the beginning stating that the guide is being updated. The League hasnt even been out for 2 weeks yet and everyone is going nuts over this. Neversink has a life and also plays this game as well. As for survivability, There's a post that even stats "Focus on defense". If you're going for balls out damage over your hp/res, no crap you're gonna get one shot. You're a BOW character. You shouldnt be facetanking anything. And the build is built around being mobile. We have CWDT/Eva/Acrobatics for those moment when we cant escape. The layered defense is a last resort. Your PLAYSTYLE is the first. I'm 83 now as the scion and I can say with complete certainty that I only die when "I" do something stupid. The build also states that you can ADAPT it. Need more HP? Take more nodes. If you have to choose between that 400dps bow that keeps you at 4k hp or gear that caps your res and throws you over 6k....Choose the damn gear. A dead DPS does no DPS. Bosses are stronger as well. They got hp buffed so this build isn't going to kill bosses as fast as it used to. And that's the same for ALL builds until you start dumping tons of EX into it. It's over 900 posts and 850+ are complaining/asking questions that have been answered into the ground.

/rant


Even with the league having not been out for 2 weeks, other 3.0 guides seem a lot less rushed than this.
I'm not that bad, I invested almost 35 chaos in the char, it's just that the guide it's not coherent in a lot of places, and other 3.0 guides seem a lot more polished and need far less gear to achieve similar results.
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Colanth escribió:

The signal fire is what makes it full conversion for TS. That + Elementalist Ascendency makes us pretty much immune to reflect, which is Amaaazzziiinnnggg


Can t wait to see that x)
Why you don't go for nodes behind acrobatics?
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_Saranghaeyo_ escribió:
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Colanth escribió:
The thing people seem to not understand is that there is a Huge message at the beginning stating that the guide is being updated. The League hasnt even been out for 2 weeks yet and everyone is going nuts over this. Neversink has a life and also plays this game as well. As for survivability, There's a post that even stats "Focus on defense". If you're going for balls out damage over your hp/res, no crap you're gonna get one shot. You're a BOW character. You shouldnt be facetanking anything. And the build is built around being mobile. We have CWDT/Eva/Acrobatics for those moment when we cant escape. The layered defense is a last resort. Your PLAYSTYLE is the first. I'm 83 now as the scion and I can say with complete certainty that I only die when "I" do something stupid. The build also states that you can ADAPT it. Need more HP? Take more nodes. If you have to choose between that 400dps bow that keeps you at 4k hp or gear that caps your res and throws you over 6k....Choose the damn gear. A dead DPS does no DPS. Bosses are stronger as well. They got hp buffed so this build isn't going to kill bosses as fast as it used to. And that's the same for ALL builds until you start dumping tons of EX into it. It's over 900 posts and 850+ are complaining/asking questions that have been answered into the ground.

/rant


That'd be a great argument if any relevant updates were ever made to this guide since around 2.2 or so. One would think, on a logical basis, that simple tweaks could happen to address small and repeated questions. It could be too hard to do so. I mean for a fucking Conc Effect image there's been pages of questions asked.

900 pages yes, but the last 200-300 pages are pretty painful to read, I agree when it first came out in like Patch 1.2 people were all over it. Lately the guide makes no sense, as I pointed out his logic with Pathfinder is absolutely bullshit and it still is insanely strong, better than these Scion combinations or whatever he's trying to do.

If you want to know how much disconnect there is in this guide, here's an idea:






And no, this is not an "Adapt" situation where you can realistically expect people to leave this guide, go forth and find one of the many items in this game and figure out that somehow Signal Fire and Vinktar are fucking insane. You sure found out, but not directly through this thread, likely through other people bringing external information in. That sounds like a poor guide.

Btw the "Adapt" argument is less relevant these days if you make content. People mostly just copy + paste. You can say it's a people problem but that's your market, and the demographic of the people within the market. So your rant on that part at least really doesn't hold any weight to it.


Did you read the guide? If you open the quiver section the first thing it says is "I believe right now Signal Fire is the best quiver ingame"

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