cheap voidforge alternatives for mathil's build

for those who wanted to do that mathils build voidforge costs 4 ex now if you dont have 4 ex
dont worry i got your back

you get the exact same dps as void forge but using these weapons

voidforge gives 300% phs as ele which is 200 x 3 = 600 elemental dps
oros sacrifise can give upto 800 edps and dirge can give 700 dps overall which is more than voidforge

after you earn 4 exalted orbs you can switch to voidforge
hope this informatino helped you guys

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Draegnarrr escribió:

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There's so much wrong info all in one post I don't even know where to start.

Voidforge is much stronger than a 600 Edps weapon bro.


remember that it scales with all the phys nodes on the tree. Also the base phys is pretty low, meaning flat phys from abyssus/accessories is huge dps gain compared to increased elemental damage nods you would take with oro.

if you convert all the original physical damage to ele, it gets to over 1k edps.

That and also you compare it with an axe. MAthil build is crit based and swords have better crit nods than axes. At best you can try to compared it to oro but certainly not to an unique axe.

Then you Got EE interaction entering the mix.

thank you friend i was gonna play his build but i'm too poor to afford the sword but now i can use oro's sacrifice which costs 1 fusings

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CAPSLOCK_ON escribió:

thank you friend i was gonna play his build but i'm too poor to afford the sword but now i can use oro's sacrifice which costs 1 fusings

no problem buddy have fun :D

Did you bother to read Head-Less's post at all?

You can absolutely play (a heavily retooled version of) Mathil's Conspather build with an Oro's Sacrifice. Debeon's Dirge would be harder, but probably doable as well.

You will not get his damage numbers from either of those weapons.

Mathil's build is, like many top-end builds of today, a physical conversion abuse build that relies on the fact that Voidforge triples the physical damage you deal as elemental damage. The fact that you gain Voidforge's base damage as 3x elemental damage is almost immaterial - phys conversion builds don't really care about that. What you're looking for is base physical scaling and flat physical damage, all of which Voidforge scales to a ridiculous degree. Every point of physical damage you add turns into three points of elemental damage, which is further augmented by quadruple Heralds and Elementalist Beacon of Ruin shenanery. Voidforge is the ultimate statstick build, rather than an 'elemental damage' build.

An Oro's Sacrifice build gains no physical damage or scaling and has to rely entirely on fire scaling, which is much less prevalent in the tree. It also gains enormously less overall damage from any other flat damage sources since Oro's has no scaling at all and is just a fat mass of flat fire damage itself. Its base eDPS is friggin' huge, yes, but it doesn't help you scale any other damage you might get the way Voidforge does. To say nothing of the wince-inducing damage vulnerabilities it inflicts on you. Someone wanting to play Consecrated Path on Elementalist with Oro's Sacrifice would probably need to invest in a completely redesigned passive tree.

Honestly? You'd be better off trying to design a new build completely that mimics the effects of Mathil's build with Oro's Sacrifice rather than trying to bodge Oro's or Debeon's Dirge into his build. That can be done, but you're not going to make a Mathil faceblasting Shaper-pillaging monster out of it unless you're as good as he is.

A better idea would likely be to just wait a month for Voidforge's prices to fall back down into chumpmonkey ranges. The Mathil Douchebag Effect is super fucking annoying but also not permanent; the sword will drop back into generally affordable range at some point, then you can play UltraStatstick the way Mathil intended rather than kludging up a flat fire damage version.

even with voidforge, (which went from 30c to 4ex over 2 days because of one build? rofl wtf) you would still never reach mathil's damage. why? because he always has like 5x 5ex crazy crit jewels and shit like that.

Oro's Sacrifice is such a great sword, especially with that Frenzy and Cull.
I'm using it on a Fire Proliferation variant of the Mathil flicker slam build, and enjoying every minute.

But the one thing it doesn't have, is phys damage.
Pure elemental damage is so hard to scale.
That's also the reason "Touch of God" golves are less popular than Facebreaker, for example.

One sword I would recommend, is Charan's Oni.
But it's not exactly cheap.